Benefits and Work and Inclusion London have obtained counsel’s advice on possible challenges to the Pathways To Work Green Paper proposals. 

The advice suggests that at this stage there appears to be no clear or obvious route for challenge or ‘silver bullet’ regarding the ‘flagship’ elements of the policy.  Instead, individuals and organisations should focus efforts on challenging elements of the Green Paper politically as much as possible.

Benefits and Work and Inclusion London asked solicitors Leigh Day to obtain advice from counsel about the potential legal challenges to the March 2025 welfare reform proposals.  Leigh Day appointed barrister Tom Royston of Garden Court North Chambers to undertake the work.

Both Leigh Day and Tom Royston have a great deal of experience in social security law and we are grateful to them for the very detailed advice they have provided.

The advice addressed the following proposals in the Green Paper:

(I) ‘Focussing PIP more on those with higher needs’: the proposal to require at least one 4 point descriptor to be met to qualify for PIP;

(II) ‘Scrap the WCA’: the proposal to amend the process by which ill and disabled people can claim income replacement benefit, and the amount of money they receive;

(III) ‘New unemployment insurance’: the proposal to amalgamate contributory ESA and JSA into a single time limited contributory benefit;

(IV) ‘Delaying access to the UC health element until age 22’: not paying 18-21 PIP recipients any extra means tested element in UC.

Looking in summary at the above proposals, counsel told us that substantial challenges to central aspects of the envisaged legislation would ‘be likely to fall at various places along a spectrum from ‘hopeless’ to ‘challenging’.”

In other words, given the information currently available, the chances of preventing the proposals being made law or overturning them subsequently appear to be limited.

In relation specifically to PIP, a range of issues were considered, including - but not limited to -the decision not to consult on this measure, challenges under the Human Rights Act 1998 and challenges under the Equality Act 2010.  But the probability of any challenge succeeding in relation to the PIP 4-point rule specifically was considered to be low and heavily dependent on circumstances.

Counsel did stress, however, that there may well be successful legal challenges in the future to elements of the above proposals, but these are likely to be to “contingent aspects of the proposals which emerge along the way, rather than to the elementary principles which were clear at the start.”

In other words, if the laws are enacted, then the courts may have a major role to play in examining the way they are interpreted and implemented but not in upsetting the basic foundations, such as the PIP 4-point rule. Benefits and Work will aim to support any such challenges in any way it can.

We are not able to publish the advice at present and we should add that it applies only to the four issues listed.  The Green Paper contains many more proposals that were not covered.

In addition, we did not ask for advice on whether the current Green Paper consultation is lawful, because our initial enquiries are primarily about proposals which are not being consulted on.

We know that this news will be greeted with considerable dismay by many readers, who had hoped that the courts could prevent such clearly cruel and discriminatory proposals coming into force.

Sadly, there seems unlikely to be ‘silver bullet’ or straightforward legal answer.

Instead, by far the best hope of preventing these cuts is to persuade MPs to pledge to vote against them, as evidence grows that the Labour Party is struggling to contain a rebellion.

As one Labour MP, Neil Duncan-Jordan, who won his seat with a majority of just 18 votes but who has 5,000 constituents receiving PIP, told the Guardian  “The whole policy is wrong. It goes without saying that if these benefits cuts go through, I will be toast in this seat.”

More facts about the effects of the cuts are being uncovered with each passing week. 

Making MPs, especially those with slim majorities, aware of how dramatically the cuts will affect claimant’s lives provides the best hope that they will never come to pass.

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    · 2 days ago
    There is a clear legal pathway to challenge the Pathways to Work Green Paper through judicial review on grounds of unlawful consultation and breach of statutory duties owed to disabled people 
    https://publiclawproject.org.uk/latest/high-court-victory-for-plp-client-over-dwp-consultation-on-disability-benefit-reforms/?

    The principal legal bases include illegality (misleading or inadequate consultation), procedural impropriety (insufficient time and failure to engage meaningfully) and breach of the Public Sector Equality Duty under s.149 of the Equality Act 2010 

    Big Issue Legislation.gov.uk. 

    Complementary human-rights arguments arise under the Human Rights Act 1998 (Art. 14 ECHR discrimination) and the UK’s obligations under the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities 

    The Guardian. 


    A successful claim could quash the proposed reforms, force a lawfully conducted consultation or, at minimum, secure binding recommendations that reshape or halt the flagship cuts 

    The Independent.

    Do not give solicitors the wrong advice we need legal challenges no matter what the cost is to bring them to court, because if this does not happen millions of people will die many will commit suicide.

    It is a complete joke to say they want people out of pip that is not even a working benefit 1 billion a year will not support getting sick people into work.

    Even half of the 3.6 million PIP recipients were offered equivalent support, the cost would balloon to over £27 billion/year; supporting the entire caseload would require £55–56 billion/year—over ten times the planned welfare savings and more than triple current PIP expenditure 

    If the people who are pushing these legal claims do not even realise this and say things like were sorry a legal claim wont work then they need to do better research

    It's time that we get politicians in the country who look after everyone not just the riches of society. It is time there was a new political party that does this as the current parties are all for scrapping the welfare system.
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      · 1 days ago
      @Tom Eastman I could be wrong but from what I’ve read labour are bringing this in as parliamentary law which is different to the Tory plans.  It seems they’ve been far more clever than the Tory’s and more brutal. I hope I’m wrong.
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      · 2 days ago
      @Anon Judicial Review is needed.
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      · 2 days ago
      @Tom Eastman Yes. It needs to right case or cases to mount a successful challenge. Of the many people who will be aff3cted I can’t see the likemof Leigh Day et al passing up the opportunity to get involved. Of course, it’s good to have the advice and I thank B@W for obtaining and sharing it.  It does no good for people to think this will be over quickly and painlessly. The Gov have also got their legal advice hence push8ng ahead with this. What’s needed is Judicial Review. I’m no lawyer but even I can see that by not  allow consultation on this is tantamount to the Government acting outside the rule of law. If they can do this then what is the point of having laws drafted thru parliament in the current way when they can just cut all that out and implement something?
      The best legal minds can surely challenge this?
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      · 2 days ago
      @Tom Eastman @Tom Eastman.  The only problem is the PIP changes and scrapping the WCA are not part of the consultation.  So even if the consultation was judged unlawful it would make absolutely no difference to the PIP changes.  There is no legal duty for a government to consult on legislation, but if they do then it has to be done lawfully.  That's why they didn't consult on the main issues.
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    · 2 days ago
    I wrote to my MP - really disappointed with her standard reply: 

    Dear Tracey,

    Thank you for contacting me with your concerns about the proposed reforms to the disability benefits system. In particular, I would like to extend my great thanks for sharing your personal experience living with a disability and with the disability benefits system with me. I understand that this is an issue that is close to your heart, like for many of us, and has a real impact on your life and the lives of your husband and children.

    After 14 years of damaging Conservative rhetoric on benefits and cuts, it is understandable that people are fearful about changes to the benefits system. I would however like to reassure you that the reforms announced by the government will not result in any immediate changes to anyone’s benefits.

    I am however reviewing the proposed changes carefully. The benefits system is complex, and there will be individual cases where the changes require particular scrutiny.

    The Government is, however, committed to the founding principle of the welfare state - namely that it should be there for all of us when we need it, now and in the future. That it protects those most in need, and that it delivers equality and dignity for all. There will always be some people who cannot work, and I want to assure you that the government will protect them.

    The measures announced aim to protect those who are most in need. Existing Universal Credit claimants will have their health top-up held steady in cash terms while they benefit from the higher standard allowance. The Government is also looking at ways to ensure that those who will never be able to work are afforded confidence and dignity by never having to go through reassessments and proposing an additional Universal Credit premium to offer those people the support they need.

    However, the broken welfare system we inherited from the Conservatives is failing the very people it was designed to help and holding our country back. Many sick and disabled people across the country and Carlisle want to work, and they deserve the same choices and chances as everyone else to do so.

    I welcome the action being taken by the Government to both tackle the issues that prevent people from working, and support people into good jobs. We’re investing an additional £26 billion in the NHS to drive down waiting lists, making work pay with our landmark Employment Rights Bill, and introducing the biggest reforms to employment support in a generation, with our £240 million Get Britain Working Plan.

    The Secretary of State for Work and Pensions recently announced further steps, investing £1 billion into employment support. This is one of the largest ever investments in tailored support to help people transition into work. Evidence shows that work is good for mental and physical wellbeing and it is right that we do all we can to help people take up work.

    This will come alongside a package of reform to support people into jobs and make the broken system fairer and more sustainable. I’d like to highlight a few of these measures that I believe will make a significant difference to Carlisle, our country and people’s life chances.

    First, we are rebalancing Universal Credit payments. This means increasing the standard allowance above inflation for the first time ever, with a £775 cash increase per year by 2029/30 for existing and new claimants, while reducing the health top up for new claims from April 2026, alongside active support to help people back to health and work.

    Alongside this, we will remove barriers by ensuring that going back to work in and of itself will never lead to a reassessment. This ‘Right to Try’ will give people the confidence to take on job knowing that if it doesn’t work out, they won’t have to start from scratch.

    In addition, we are consulting on a new unemployment insurance that will help people quickly get back on track if they fall out of work, giving them a higher rate of benefit.

    I would like to reiterate my thanks for your contacting me with your concerns about these proposed changes to the disability benefits system, and for sharing your story with me.

    Please be assured that I am scrutinising the proposals carefully.

    Yours sincerely,

    Julie Minns
    Member of Parliament for Carlisle and North Cumbria


    House of Commons, Palace of Westminster, London SW1A 0AA
    parliament.uk



    ________________________________
    From: T B
    Sent: 08 April 2025 20:13
    To: MINNS, julie.minns.casework@parliament.uk
    Subject: PROPOSED CHANGES TO PIP


    Good Evening Ms Minns

    I am sending this email to draw your attention to the proposed changes to the PIP

    My names is Tracey B——- and I live in ————. I am writing to you today because I am extremely concerned about the Personal Independence Payments new Daily Living 4 point rule* that will start in 2026 (for new claims and reviews).

    This is something that is particularly important to me as in June 2018, I was assaulted at work in a local primary school by a 9 year old child (who with the news as it is - had had issues with knives - to which the school, youth zone and the police were aware). I had various injuries including an arm fracture and tissue damage to my upper limbs and was taken away in an ambulance. Despite trying my best to carry on, my upper limb conditions worsened and I developed a degenerative chronic nerve pain condition called Complex Regional Pain Syndrome (CRPS) - nicknamed the suicide disease for the pain levels it causes, Fybromyalgia, a return of previous ME and other sequela conditions related to CRPS. This is incurable and has rendered me basically housebound with my husband and children becoming my registered informal carers - whom without I would not be able to get through any days.
    I have to have assistance with all personal hygiene tasks, all tasks in the house, help dressing, adaptations to the house and the list goes on. My days in bed are becoming more & more. My bathroom is being ripped out for a wet room, I have adapted toileting downstairs, walking sticks, toilet transfer frame, adapted cutlery and the list goes on. Our lives have crashed in front of us. No holidays abroad, family time, adult time and no time being able to support our daughter with her university journey - their lives being ripped away as well as my own.
    Along with this, I have been dealing with chronic PTSD since the assault - I only leave the house with support and following a spinal cord implant and neck laminectomy and 2 spinal surgeries, I now have a spinal cord injury, trouble swallowing and bladder trouble to name but a few more issues to deal with and it never seems to stop.
    When you/your team were canvassing, I did ask the gentleman for you to contact us so we could let you know about our story.
    Back to PIP, I do currently reach the threshold of upper limit of daily living for the points I earn across the form, I was just short on mobility, however, I sent in an update in December to describe the spinal injury and that I now have a walking stick as I have lost feeling down my left side and fingers. So on top of the pain being so unbearable in my upper limbs that I am extremely limited to what I can do, the list keeps getting longer.
    CRPS can be researched by looking at a very supportive charity:

    UK Charity Supporting CRPS Awareness & Support
    burningnightscrps.org

    I am due to be reviewed in October 2026 so will probably receive my review form mid year.
    I am extremely concerned that although I am in upper limit for the daily living support I need due to not being able to use my arms/hands properly, mobility issues, PTSD etc etc - my points per question were awarded as 2 which when added up gave me the higher level. There were questions that I believed I should have been awarded more points but as I had been granted daily living higher I left these, as asking for a reconsideration can sometimes reduce your award.
    I lost my job without being allowed to access my Local Government pension and had almost 20 years service and worked for local government and education most of my life.
    I loved my job and was working towards the last working 1/4 of my life where I could have reached my full career potential to retire on and that was all on track.
    I was an extremely fit, trim, busy mum, wife, gym/health fanatic and manager, mental health support, safeguarding officer etc and then boom at a blink of an eye this was all taken away whilst having to restrain an uncontrollable child beating up on another child.
    I have a huge medical team including GP, Physio, OT’s, CRPS Specialists, Psycholgy, Pain Management Consultants, Neurosurgeons, Neuro modulation Nurses, Gastrointestinal Specialists, Spinal Urology Specialists to name a few
    I would be more than happy to meet with you to discuss. As it stands if the changes go through as they are, disabled people like myself, who are unable to work through no choice of their own will LOSE this valuable support benefit. If I lose PIP, I don’t know how we will manage for my needs and that of my family needs as my carers. My son has been a young career now since he was 8 and my daughter 15 - again pushed on us without choice. Without use of my arms, weakness & no reflex in my left leg, numbness in left hand & arm, choking problems, oesophageal issues, bladder issues and a spinal cord injury - there is not a possibility that I could go back into the working world and as I’ve stated, it’s not my choice.

    I am asking you to take the following steps to address my concerns:
    • Please pledge your support to the campaign and sign this petition: https://chng.it/d6X8HvdZrQ
    • Please raise it in the House of Commons, where it will be officially recorded
    • Please fight for us, in any other way that you can - as disabled people we need a voice. I didn’t choose this to happen to me and I have worked hard all my working age life until the joy & independence this gave me was physically taken away. I live on pain medications, house adaptations, family as carers - quite indignified at times, medical appointments galore and basically in the house - our lives being a shadow of what they were - through no fault of our own. PIP is an invaluable resource & support benefit and despite currently having higher level, if the new rules go ahead I will lose this benefit and then also lose my blue badge and at that point I won’t be able to leave the house at all - any offering I have to share with the small circle of people I have left will be gone to.

    I would really appreciate it if you could let me know if and how you are able to help. If you are unable to address this personally, please can you escalate my letter to the relevant Minister or department.

    Please be aware, I am part of a very stubborn community who will work together to have a voice and many of us will be writing to our local MP’s for help.


    Yours sincerely,
    Tracey B——— disabled, disadvantaged, lost and scared about my future 
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      · 1 days ago
      @Hollywoodmam At least you got a reply, 2 months on and I'm still waiting in the high peak. 
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      · 2 days ago
      @Hollywoodmam Hollywoodmam, that is an absolutely appalling response to you recounting your awful experiences - just how callous can they be! I’ll never forget this, Labour. We stand with you, Tracey. 
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      · 2 days ago
      @Hollywoodmam Almost a mirror image of Steve Race, Exeter.....of course, I didn't vote for him last July, and won't in the future.
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      · 2 days ago
      @Hollywoodmam Funny I received almost the same reply word for word  from my MP. 
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      · 2 days ago
      @Hollywoodmam In other words, "I'll try to blag this with a really long reply that doesn't answer the question!"
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    · 2 days ago
    The problem is that they knew which bits of their proposals were likely to risk legal challenges, and they specifically kept them out of the green paper. They will instead be passed via primary legislation, which the courts are utterly powerless against even if it does violate existing laws. 
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    · 2 days ago
    I can’t understand how they can keep Pip when it is not an out of work benefit.Just making people fail reassessment with the 4 points and then linking it to U c health,I’m sure is illegal discrimination.The uproar when £200-300 a year was taken from pensioners,some people are going to lose £10,000 a year.Whatever they say these people like myself are still disabled and cannot work.On a 10 year award here taking me beyond pension age in 2029,will this still stand?
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      · 3 hours ago
      @Dave By 2029. As state pensions go up every April, some pensioners will end up getting too much money to qualify for the WFA. 
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      · 1 days ago
      @Claire No reason currently to see why your ten year award would not stand. 
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      · 2 days ago
      @Claire Apparently it looks like Rachel Reeves has not finished with the pensioners yet, she intends to remove another 150,000 pensioners off the winter fuel allowance this year. It was in the newspaper today.
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      · 2 days ago
      @Claire No the award wouldnt stand.
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    · 2 days ago
    Discrimination against people is not allowed by law, what ever discrimination. If the proposed changes g. o through it means the government are clearly breaking the law by even attempting such punitive cuts.

    Never ever voting for Labour again, they are failing millions and making their lives too impossible to continue. We need to have all the opposistion - mps for all other parties including Conservative to vote against all proposals!

    Which ever party has been elected in your area write to them asking that they vote against the government!
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    · 2 days ago
    Template Letter to Local or National Churches – Speak Out Now

    Hi all,

    As we head into the final weeks before Parliament votes on these devastating welfare reforms, I’ve drafted a respectful letter that can be sent to local church leaders, national faith organisations, or any group with a public voice on social justice.

    You don’t need to be religious to use this—many churches already support disabled and vulnerable people in their communities, and have a tradition of speaking out when that support is under threat. Their voice could make a real difference, especially now.

    Please feel free to copy, adapt, and personalise the letter below. You can also use it as the basis for an email or conversation with local clergy or community organisers.

    Every voice counts.


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    Template Letter: Urgent Request to Speak Out on Disability Benefit Cuts

    Subject: Urgent Request: Church Leadership to Speak Out Against Disability Benefit Cuts

    Dear [Name or Title],

    I’m writing to express deep concern about the UK Government’s proposed changes to disability benefits, which are set to harm hundreds of thousands of people living with chronic illness and disability—particularly those with invisible conditions who have already faced disbelief and systemic neglect.

    These changes include:

    New eligibility rules for PIP, requiring claimants to score 4 points in a single daily living activity. This could disqualify the majority of people with conditions such as chronic pain, mental health disorders, arthritis, and post viral conditions.

    Linking PIP to Universal Credit, meaning those who lose PIP will also lose access to the UC health element, pushing many into serious financial hardship.

    The planned removal of the Work Capability Assessment, which will make PIP the sole gateway to additional support within Universal Credit—despite PIP not being designed to assess fitness for work.

    A reduction in the UC health element for new claimants, slashing it from £97 to £50 per week, with a freeze until 2030.


    These are not minor adjustments. They represent a dramatic withdrawal of support from people whose lives are already marked by physical and emotional illness and exhaustion, social isolation, and the daily battle to survive.

    The fallout, if these changes go ahead, will be widespread:

    Overstretched NHS and mental health services

    Food banks overwhelmed

    Increases in homelessness, crisis admissions, and suicidality

    Families and communities pushed beyond breaking point


    Churches and faith-led organisations have long stood up for the vulnerable. I’m reaching out because I believe that, regardless of personal beliefs, church institutions hold a unique place in public life—capable of speaking with authority and compassion on matters of social justice.

    As the parliamentary vote approaches, please consider making a public statement or writing to MPs to raise concerns. A collective voice from the country’s churches could make a real difference in these crucial final weeks.

    With respect and thanks for all the support many churches already provide in the community,

    [Your Full Name]
    [Optional: Your Town or Region]
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      · 1 days ago
      @Pearse English. Great idea! Thanks 
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      · 2 days ago
      @Anniesmum I’m not religious but I’d especially say write to the 26 CofE Bishops who sit in the Lords. These measures have to be voted on by them and can add their weight when the debate arrives before them.
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      · 2 days ago
      @CaroA Started emailing the different heads of faith.
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      · 2 days ago
      @CaroA Thank you so much for this. I for one, will be using this. As an ME CFS sufferer, I would have found this so difficult to do considering I am mainly bed/house bound. Also struggling with arthritis particularly in hands would cause even more pain (family member emailing message) So a huge thank you for this. Regards: Julia 
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      · 2 days ago
      @CaroA Thanks for doing this
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    · 2 days ago
    Starmer and his cronies are implementing a cruel and undefendable policy that we as claimants will suffer first hand.
    They are doing what the tories dreamt of but would not dare implement.
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      · 2 days ago
      @LolC It will backfire spectacularly on them in the end + it will end up costing this country a lot more money than it will save + it will come back on them just in time for the 2029 General Election. But sadly by then a lot of people will have been killed via this callous idiotic government.
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    · 2 days ago
    These measures will mean  those who will still get mobility PIP could need that for other medical reasons So even more people will become house bound Unable to afford a Motability car Or mini cabs 
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    · 2 days ago
    We can campaign and fight. Join your local DPAC, DPO etc!! I'm exhausted also after fiteen years of reassesments etc... I feel lost and scared also. We must not go down without a fight!
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    · 2 days ago
    Everybody affected should vote for any other party other than the labour party in the upcoming elections. 

     

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      · 2 days ago
      @Dave Never at all or were they cancelled? I get to vote for a county councilor AND a mayor (that no one round here sees the point of).
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      · 2 days ago
      @Penny Sadly we have no choice in Manchester, there is no council elections this year.
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      · 2 days ago
      @Peeved I live in a multi term Labour stronghold city. We are voting here, I know some areas aren't. I received my voting slip, defaced it and posted it back, they get my slip but they don't get my vote. I looked through the booklet naming all the candidates and their agendas and not one mentioned welfare or health, more important to sort pot holes and plant more trees !  It was painful not use my vote for the first time since becoming 18, a long long time ago, it was something I had to do.
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      · 2 days ago
      @Peeved Are you in Lincolnshire by any chance? Boston and Skegness was the second safest Tory seat at the last election (how big a % of votes the winner had over the runner up). If the Tories had pinned a blue rosette on a Skeggy donkey, people would vote for it. But we voted the Tory bloke out and voted the Reform bloke in. Any party getting elected around here other than the Tories was flipping amazing. A safe seat is no guarantee.

      Plus it is better to vote for a candidate that does not win than not vote at all. 

      You're correct about fptp.

      Not sure how this breaches the t&c's. It simply states how even a hard-core (insert name of political party) area can vote for someone different.
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      · 2 days ago
      @Penny Don't vote Tory as well.  Tories were gonna scrap pip and give vouchers which wouldn't be great at all. Pip claimants paying a carer in vouchers wouldn't be accepted 
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    · 2 days ago
    More needs to be said on the axing of Contributory ESA and whether it's just for new claimants as article 54 suggests, or existing ones too. I've seen absolutely nothing written on this.
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      · 2 days ago
      @Peeved I agree, can aB&W moderator comment? Thank you 
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      · 2 days ago
      @Peeved i have been searching for info on this too and so far i have failed to find anything to shed any light on the matter!
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      · 2 days ago
      @Peeved Yes it is like it has been hidden away Especially by the bigger issue for most by the changes for PIP But it is still an important issue I think As someone who gets Contribution based ESA myself All these changes have the smell of eventually meaning all benefits being moved under the umbrella of universal credit and all being income based  Contribution based benefits for the chop Along with the loss of PIP being given on need only A income based element will be included too It could come There has already been talk of OAP ending up as an income based benefit So we should not ignore the changes to contribution ESA As it could just be a warning shot Swamped by the other changes But should not be forgotten or pushed aside
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    · 2 days ago
    The only thing to do is to boot Labour out at the next General Election. Vote for Greens or Lib Dems. 
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      · 2 days ago
      @Simon You don't need to worry, Labour has certainly lost the next General Election. Rachel Reeves is on a one woman mission to make Labour Party unelectable.
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      · 2 days ago
      @Simon So true, I only voted in last general election because I'm in Wales and could vote Plaid Cymru
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    · 2 days ago
    This is hard to take in: after years of physical and mental pain, I would have never expected this from Labour.  That they want to weed out the cheats is a good thing.  But everything I have read so far tells me they do not understand what being disabled entails, not on a daily basis. It’s not just the physical pain we have to endure, it’s the mental anguish too, the way that the rest of society looks upon us as inferior, damaged, useless.  I know I couldn’t survive without P.I.P and if it comes to that, there will be only one way to go for me….
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      · 2 days ago
      @Angel I read somewhere that the increase since the Pandemic was in the majority youngsters with a variety of mental conditions. If true .. why would the list of disabilities being targeted ( mentioned somewhere above) include the older generation with Arthritis, MS, Parkinsons , Heart Disease ? 
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      · 2 days ago
      @Frenchy There is virtually no fraud regarding Pip. That is a false narrative. They are not doing this to “weed out the cheats.” 
      Since the pandemic began, applications for Pip, ESA/UC health element, have increased substantially. There is rarely any mention as to why this has occurred -only that it is “unsustainable.” PASC/LC has affected millions of people. (me included) There is very little help for people with long-term health issues. Instead of trying to do something about this, mitigating the harms caused to people from repeated Covid infections, there is nothing. And now they are blaming people who are sick and disabled for the increase. It’s shameful. 
      But please do not lose hope. I am also angry about the proposals. This is an attack on the social care system. An attack on us. It’s eugenics. 
      We will resist. We will fight. 
      Peace out. 
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      · 2 days ago
      @Frenchy I am afraid once before in history there was a leader of the labour party (Ramsey McDonald) in 1931 who too betrayed the labour movement and joined the Tories and Liberals of the time and formed the National Labour party which then ruled through a coalition. Betrayal often happens when people have been mislead by a pied piper in our midst who goes the opposite way to the movement. 
      I think you should not give up and fight on we will win over tyranny eventually the people always do
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    · 2 days ago
    I contacted my MP about this,   she is, as it says on the GOVT. site :

     'The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Public Health and Prevention and is a position in the Department of Health and Social Care in the Government of the United Kingdom. The role has previously been known as the Minister of State for Public Health'.

    And she couldn't care less.
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      · 2 days ago
      @WorkshyLayabout She’s been jettisoned in to a poisoned chalice. She does need to know anything about the subject. Rather like most politicians. In in it for themselves. Teams of lackeys to do their bidding. Rake in the benefits. No, not the benefits we have to beg for. Benefits they enjoy, flitting about at taxpayers expense, getting their bills paid in their second homes etc…. It’s state sponsored corruption.
      The only decent politician are the ones you’ve never heard of, who quietly go about their business on behalf of their constituents and who don’t seek glory.
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      · 2 days ago
      @O Let's try again...

      She should care because these proposals will directly negatively affects her department.
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      · 2 days ago
      @O Why is the woman in the Health and Social Care Department if she supports these proposals? Too thick to realise that cutting benefits will have a direct negative effect on her department.

      Does anyone on here with brains know the answer?


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    · 2 days ago
    My local MP is Rachel Blake,  she supports these barbaric cuts and when I pressed her on certain issues , she completely ignored them and then in response got one of her lackeys to respond to me 
    These lot really, really don't care about us and come next election ,I hope we remember this 
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      · 2 days ago
      @Moose We will get the list from parliament after the vote happens in June and publish them on a blog
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      · 2 days ago
      @James Yes. Would it be allowed in the Forum as a dedicated post? It would be be good to know which MPs are supportive and who is not. 
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      · 2 days ago
      @James It's called voting, you get what you vote for.  Incidentally liebour only got in power all because of a protest vote . Due to 14 years of Tory austerity.
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      · 2 days ago
      @WorkshyLayabout WorkshyLayabout The point is to name and shame, though. If we type that long list maybe it will grow shorter...
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      · 2 days ago
      @James A list of the ones who do care will be shorter.
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    · 2 days ago
    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” ― George Orwell, 1984
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    · 2 days ago
    Invisible Illnesses, Visible Fallout

    If these changes to disability benefits go ahead, the suffering of people with long-term invisible illnesses won’t just be dismissed—it will be made irreversible. Those with conditions like chronic pain, mental health, and neurological disorders and many others—already battling disbelief and systemic neglect—will lose crucial support. So what happens when we lose that lifeline?

    We will see:

    NHS, care, and GP services overwhelmed, as people crash physically and emotionally

    Mental health wards unable to cope

    Civil unrest and widespread distress

    People collapsing and begging in public due to exhaustion, hunger, untreated illness and homelessness

    Food banks at capacity, turning people away

    Mental health crises unfolding in the street, in full public view

    Emergency services including the police stretched beyond limit.


    There is no “reform” here. This is removal of essential care. And if this goes ahead, the so-called “invisible” will become the most visible crisis this country has faced in decades.

    We must not let this happen quietly we are making our voices heard. We must keep making sure we are visible wherever and whenever possible. MPs - this is not a small adjustment—its a demolition of the social security system for a nation.


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      · 2 days ago
      @CarroA Exactly, well said. I think this ludicrous plan was quickly drawn up by Liz Kendall written out on the back of a passage stamp after Rachel Reeves decided she wanted £5 billion welfare cuts + then Liz Kendall the next day stood up in parliament  + came up with is ludicrous idea. It is very easy to see Kendall was probably at the bottom of the class at school.
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      · 2 days ago
      @CarroA @CarroA 100%
      .They might aswell take our very breath away.
      But fight we must,and will,in any lawful capacity.
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      · 2 days ago
      @CarroA We are already seeing this. I heard yesterday from a home carer, a 102 years old lady still living alone (full mental capacity) had a severe fall at home. Amazingly she got an ambulance quickly, in Wales it's common to be told 5_7 hours wait. 24 hours later this 102 years old lady was STILL being cared for in the ambulance 
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      · 2 days ago
      @CarroA Excellent comment. The truth of the matter in a nutshell. 
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    · 2 days ago
    This will be used as further ammunition by Reeves and co   )-:


    The problem I find is even the perception from good friends of mine about people on benefits. Even if they don’t say so out loud, you can almost read in their eyes what they really think. Or maybe it’s just my paranoia after reading years of propaganda. 

    Joe Public just doesn’t have the facts, and why should they care until it directly affects them. I guess I probably had those prejudices and the same ignorance before it hit my family in a significant way. 

    So I try to educate people on the facts, but it can be humiliating to share how dependent we are on others. Not that there should be any shame in it at all. 

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      · 2 days ago
      @Matt Auntie Beeb may decide to replace the soon-to-be-defunct Children in Need with Disabled in Need! The soon-to-be-defunct bit is from a very reliable source. 

      Charities are failing because people do not have spare money to donate and are aware that most money donated does not go to the cause. 

      For small, local charities, one of the best organisations to ask for funding is the National Lottery. From the same previous source.

      (A non sequitur from Gingin's post) 


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      · 2 days ago
      @Gingin good point. I wonder if the Govt thinks that the third/charitable sector are going to pick up the pieces. If they do, then they are in for a very nasty shock: I received an email from Guide Dogs, via a friend, who confirmed that they had a £20 m shortfall and have made 181 people redundant......
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    · 2 days ago
    I am experienced tribunal advocate and read the Freedom of information request that is the source of these statistics of great interest. I predicted the trend in broad terms at the time the paper was published but the proportion of people in receipt of standard rate daily living without having a four-point descriptor still came as a surprise to me. I present on average up to 100 appeals a year, and presented hundreds for the DWP when I was a presenting officer. I can tell you categorically that there are several four point descriptors which hardly anyone ever gets if they are going through the appeal process. The only ones people get with any degree of regularity are the following.

    1) Needing assistance or supervision to either cook or prepare a simple meal for one person
    2) Needing prompting to take nutrition
    4) Needing assistance to wash between the shoulders and waist
    6) Needing assistance to dress the upper half of the body
    9) Needing social support to engage with people face to face

    The ones that are rarely achieved are:

    3) Needing prompting, supervision or assistance with a therapy taking more than 3.5 hours a week (remember a therapy needs to be clinically advised but critically *done at home*
    5) Needing assistance managing toilet needs
    7) Needing communication support to be able to express or understand complex verbal information (communication support in practical terms usually means someone who can sign for you)
    8) Needing prompting to be able to read or understand basic written information (basic written information is signs, symbols and dates)
    10)Needing prompting or assistance to be able to make simple budgeting decisions (adding up what things cost and how much change you are due)

    Typically in respect of 1, 4 & 6, where people are not initially awarded points, they pick them up on appeal because of upper limb difficulties and problems with fine touch. Obviously there are conditions that score four points for other descriptors but someone who for example, needs physically lifting off the toilet or needs prompting to read a fire escape sign is usually so impaired their claims rarely get to the appeal stage. Advisers should bear this in mind when supporting people with PIP questionnaires.
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    · 2 days ago
    I will be lost if this goes ahead ! I struggle day to day and need the support! 
    I have me , AS , arthritis, COPD. 
    I was finished up from work last year after being at Costco for 20 years.
    They said not a job suitable for me with my health conditions!
    I really miss it there and wish I was fit enough to carry on working !

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