Benefits and Work and Inclusion London have obtained counsel’s advice on possible challenges to the Pathways To Work Green Paper proposals. 

The advice suggests that at this stage there appears to be no clear or obvious route for challenge or ‘silver bullet’ regarding the ‘flagship’ elements of the policy.  Instead, individuals and organisations should focus efforts on challenging elements of the Green Paper politically as much as possible.

Benefits and Work and Inclusion London asked solicitors Leigh Day to obtain advice from counsel about the potential legal challenges to the March 2025 welfare reform proposals.  Leigh Day appointed barrister Tom Royston of Garden Court North Chambers to undertake the work.

Both Leigh Day and Tom Royston have a great deal of experience in social security law and we are grateful to them for the very detailed advice they have provided.

The advice addressed the following proposals in the Green Paper:

(I) ‘Focussing PIP more on those with higher needs’: the proposal to require at least one 4 point descriptor to be met to qualify for PIP;

(II) ‘Scrap the WCA’: the proposal to amend the process by which ill and disabled people can claim income replacement benefit, and the amount of money they receive;

(III) ‘New unemployment insurance’: the proposal to amalgamate contributory ESA and JSA into a single time limited contributory benefit;

(IV) ‘Delaying access to the UC health element until age 22’: not paying 18-21 PIP recipients any extra means tested element in UC.

Looking in summary at the above proposals, counsel told us that substantial challenges to central aspects of the envisaged legislation would ‘be likely to fall at various places along a spectrum from ‘hopeless’ to ‘challenging’.”

In other words, given the information currently available, the chances of preventing the proposals being made law or overturning them subsequently appear to be limited.

In relation specifically to PIP, a range of issues were considered, including - but not limited to -the decision not to consult on this measure, challenges under the Human Rights Act 1998 and challenges under the Equality Act 2010.  But the probability of any challenge succeeding in relation to the PIP 4-point rule specifically was considered to be low and heavily dependent on circumstances.

Counsel did stress, however, that there may well be successful legal challenges in the future to elements of the above proposals, but these are likely to be to “contingent aspects of the proposals which emerge along the way, rather than to the elementary principles which were clear at the start.”

In other words, if the laws are enacted, then the courts may have a major role to play in examining the way they are interpreted and implemented but not in upsetting the basic foundations, such as the PIP 4-point rule. Benefits and Work will aim to support any such challenges in any way it can.

We are not able to publish the advice at present and we should add that it applies only to the four issues listed.  The Green Paper contains many more proposals that were not covered.

In addition, we did not ask for advice on whether the current Green Paper consultation is lawful, because our initial enquiries are primarily about proposals which are not being consulted on.

We know that this news will be greeted with considerable dismay by many readers, who had hoped that the courts could prevent such clearly cruel and discriminatory proposals coming into force.

Sadly, there seems unlikely to be ‘silver bullet’ or straightforward legal answer.

Instead, by far the best hope of preventing these cuts is to persuade MPs to pledge to vote against them, as evidence grows that the Labour Party is struggling to contain a rebellion.

As one Labour MP, Neil Duncan-Jordan, who won his seat with a majority of just 18 votes but who has 5,000 constituents receiving PIP, told the Guardian  “The whole policy is wrong. It goes without saying that if these benefits cuts go through, I will be toast in this seat.”

More facts about the effects of the cuts are being uncovered with each passing week. 

Making MPs, especially those with slim majorities, aware of how dramatically the cuts will affect claimant’s lives provides the best hope that they will never come to pass.

Comments

Write comments...
or post as a guest
People in conversation:
Loading comment... The comment will be refreshed after 00:00.
  • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
    · 1 days ago
    Talk about a drip feed, Timms:

    “In keeping with existing policy, people of State Pension Age are not routinely fully reviewed and will not be affected by the proposed changes.”

    https://www.google.co.uk/url?q=https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/lifestyle/money/dwp-pip-changes-older-people-35108747&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwi73JuZv_CMAxUGXUEAHVqnDwAQxfQBegQIBBAC&usg=AOvVaw33m87HscOucKoCZOprLdvZ

    There's a bit of wriggle room there, mind you - not "routinely" "fully" reviewed 🤔







  • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
    · 1 days ago
    @Anon, where did you get the info saying the new pip assessment would use "a three-tier scoring system for descriptors: 0, 2, or 4 points, instead of the current wider scale of 0–12 across various descriptors".

    That doesn't tally with B&W's info:



    • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
      · 1 days ago
      @leapoffaith Ieapoffaith, please don't panic + worry + let it get to you. If you are worried why not contact the CAB?  Good luck.
    • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
      · 1 days ago
      @robbie @Anon Yes I really need to know the answer to this.. The situation is already terrible but I have been up all night & very distressed all day trying to find out about this.. Please does Benefits & Work or anyone else know what this is about?
  • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
    · 1 days ago
    We don't need a silver bullet. We have plenty of other ordnance. We need to keep on with the opposition we're mounting, raising awareness among the public and mps.

    Too few understand these proposals because they switch off when they hear anything about welfare. When they get what's happening they'll see how everyone could be affected, because some of us are young, we are mostly ordinary, and anyone might grow sick and old.

    Even if the government were to win some legal challenges, the publicity would be damaging, and they might not win them all.
  • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
    · 1 days ago
    Blasted thing didn't print in full

    @Anon, your post below about the proposed new pip assessment, if correct, would make a lot more sense (not justification!!) of the government's thinking, since it seems it would not just be a matter of trying to upgrade our existing points 

    If you can, would you kindly answer these questions?

    1) What is your source?
    2) Do you know which activities will be assessed?
    3) Do you know whether the assessment for each activity includes the opportunity to score 4 points?
    4) Do you think that the facts that those over state pension age, who, by definition, could not work, would have no support into work, could not add to their income by working (because there is no work allowance after state pension age), or in other ways (because other income is deducted from means tested benefits which pensioners can claim) and therefore could never mitigate their losses, mean that they would qualify as a specific group discriminated against?
    5) Would the disabled not count as a sufficiently specific group as a whole to be considered as having been discriminated against?
    6) Might there be a legal challenge to the redefinition of a group of the disabled who were previously awarded standard daily living as suddenly able simply because the government says so, and not because that group has gained good health? 




  • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
    · 1 days ago
    @Anon, re your long post below about the proposed new pip assessment, which, if correct, would make a lot more sense (not justification!!) of the government's thinking, since it seems it would not just be a matter of trying to upgrade our existing points, could you answer these questions?

    1) What is your source? 
    2) Do you know which activities will be assessed?
    3) Do you know whether the assessment for each activitiey
    could never mitigate their losses, mean that they would qualify as a specific group discriminated against?


  • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
    · 1 days ago
    Whilst I hear what you say about lobbying local MPs, mine (a Labour MP) does not bother to reply if the issue I write to her about runs contra to party policy. No idea how to get around this.
    • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
      · 13 hours ago
      @Lunip It's still worth e-mailing them. Even if they don't reply they will still read it. Stating that they won't have your vote next time round if they vote for the cuts will probably get their attention: nothing focuses a politician's mind more than the prospect of losing votes, and hence potentially their seat.
  • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
    · 1 days ago
    I’m really confused.  I currently get ESA support group and PIP.  I don’t have 4 points on PIP.  Under the changes will I lose both PIP and ESA?
    • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
      · 2 hours ago
      @Bert That's only the current situation. The plan is 6 months on jobseeker's allowance before being booted off - job or no job.
    • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
      · 5 hours ago
      @Scorpion Universal credit standard job seeker rate isn't time limited you stay on it until you get employment.
    • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
      · 5 hours ago
      @Anony @Anony, please try not worry + panic over these ludicrous changes, they might not happen, there still is still a long way for this to go + there could be changes to these plans as it goes through parliament. If these changes do eventually happen + you do lose any money, please go + see the CAB + just don't accept it.
    • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
      · 1 days ago
      @Anony "Attend weekly interviews at a job centre and keep trying to get job interviews" is no long sufficient to get the "standard universal credit", which is Jobseekers' Allowance, as it has lately been made time limited benefit and many Jobseekers' Allowance claimants are sanctioned before they even get their first payment.

      Keir Starmer and his clowns are self-centric evil.
    • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
      · 1 days ago
      @Coliin
      "All health elements of uc will be removed if you do not get daily living, that's the facts"
       
      It is not yet at all clear if or how the LCWRA changes will affect existing claimants. The elements of the green paper I referred to certainly suggest that if you have a WCA prior to 2028 and still have LCWRA following that reassessment then your LCWRA will not change at all. At the very least it can certainly be interpreted that way and until the government gives us some clarity on this point we simply do not know one way or the other.
  • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
    · 1 days ago
    ‘the enhanced rate is intended for individuals with at least one area of severe or profound impairment, rather than moderate challenges spread across multiple domains’

    What conditions classify for severe or profound impairment?

    The court system will collapse if these reforms are implemented.

    Extremely worrying also that more cruel cuts are planned in the October budget. When will it stop?
    • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
      · 1 days ago
      @keepingitreal Yes,I got 2 points over 6 questions making  12
    • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
      · 1 days ago
      @ellen Not really,I get enhanced but all 2 points over 6 questions giving me 12 points
    • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
      · 1 days ago
      @ellen Can't be sure, but read somewhere that it is likely to be something like late stage multiple sclerosis, motor neurone disease, advanced cancer and profound learning disability (eg, Down's syndrome), perhaps a few others but when they mean severe/profound it essentially means around the clock care. Hence most will fail the four point test.
    • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
      · 1 days ago
      @ellen Well if that was the intention it has failed: it's possible to score 12 or more without even any 4 point descriptors, ie from having "moderate challenges spread across multiple domains". 
  • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
    · 1 days ago
    So our best bet is not challenges in court over human rights issues - but mass amounts of Labour MPs growing a conscience?

    Sounds like this is 99.9% happening and hundreds of thousands of us are f**ked

    How do the disability community not have a solid human rights case against the gov?
    • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
      · 1 days ago
      @D We are no longer part of the EU and no longer have a written constitution which we had when we were part of it. We are now back to being subjects of the king and because Britain does not have a written constitution whatever parliament legislates is law. We are however members of the ECHR and they can look at the human rights aspect as well as the UN.  This is why our politicians have been attacking the ECHR  and the way they are going I would not be surprised they will also moan about being in the UN! What we lack is a clear set of civil rights like most republics do in the world 
  • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
    · 1 days ago
    We all need to accept that what ever your disability they will not spare you. If they can get you off benefits usually at assessment or reassement by companies THE GOVERNMENT pays they will even it is just till you win at appeal.
    They seem to spent considerable time coming up with changes that cannot be stopped by legal challenges. All in all what they propose is nasty unfair and in my opinion wicked.
    The only thing that will change their minds is the realisation that they are losing vote share.
    Please vote against Labour in every local and by election. Contact your Labour Mp tell them why you will not vote for them
  • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
    · 2 days ago
    Fact is Judicial review has regarding some of the initial green paper proposals already been achieved and upheld in the High Court under Judicial Review. Refer to Ellen Clifford and the brave stand that she made against the Tories. Over the scrapping of limited capability for work and/or support group, on what is to become the historic income related ESA. I DID hear that Starmer and co., have NOW decided to NOT, for the moment scrap this element as they initially proposed to do. AGAIN because they already KNEW that to continue with that part of the proposals at the green paper stage that they would likely face Judicial review from millions of disabled, whatever the conditions because precedent has already been achieved in the High Court regarding that. 

    Which is WHY the Labour Government already KNEW that they could NOT go down the SI route and indeed WHY they have made the decision to go down the route they have. To make it Law (re Act of Parliament). They KNEW that to go via SI although quicker that WE ALL in our  own right as the Disabled, long term/permanent sick and unwell and the mentally ill would have taken them to Judicial Review.

    I do STILL wonder IF OR NOT at this green paper stage if there is some legal form of redress to STOP these proposals in their tracks,  but for the life of me I am UNABLE to think of a way same as the Counsel that this site for US all has sought opinion on.

    The only way that Starmer, Kendall, Reeves and the rest can go about this is via initially the green paper consultations and then white paper to commons then to Lords and then back to commons again to be passed as Law and at that point to overturn it would be virtually impossible it would have to be challenges along the way as this site has sought chambers opinion on.  

    Therefore, I HOPE someone DOES have the legal knowledge to perhaps, for example, stumble across some archaic law that could STOP the green paper in it's tracks. 

    However, honestly, some of the best legal minds in the Country who specialize in welfare and social security law have scrutinized this to the last detail, indeed to the last word on all areas of the green paper proposals. For a way to STOP this via the courts.  

    There are people who THINK that Starmer and Co, did NOT get their statistics from anywhere. NOT SO the FACT is that behind our backs as the disabled they were consulting behind our backs for want of a better expression and indeed carrying on with these consultations behind our backs that the Tories had already started towards the latter end of their reign. They HAVE consulted with certain GP practices in certain geographical areas, where I live being one of them, they had consulted with various disability charities. Versus arthritis being one of them and indeed other charities, However, this was before those charities KNEW the extent of the welfare reform proposals. 

    As others have mentioned on the site, Starmer and co, were evasive on these reforms when they first came to power, avoidance of questions around it, but they KNEW from the outset what they were going to do and as such acted when the time was right.

    It is UNLAWFUL what they are doing, NO DOUBT about that but there are many lacunas in the English Legal System and indeed one legal tactic can be out smarted by another and indeed where Starmer is concerned being historically a Human Rights Lawyer and then head of the CPS of course he KNEW what he was doing. 

    I JUST HOPE THAT ALL THOSE WHO GAVE HIM THE ANSWERS THAT HE WANTED NOT THAT THEY WERE RIGHT OR NOT WHEN THEY APPROACHED CERTAIN CHARITIES AND CERTAIN PRIMARY CARE SERVICES THAT THEY ARE NOW REGRETTING SPEAKING FOR US INSTEAD OF CONSULTING WITH US. WHICH IS WHERE AGAIN IT IS UNLAWFUL THERE WAS NOT SUFFICIENT CONSULTATION THAT IS A FACT. HOWEVER, THOSE STATISTICS THEY STATE DID FACT COME FROM THOSE WHO WERE BEING CONSULTED WITHOUT OUR KNOWLEDGE AT THE TIME.

    IT IS BEYOND CALCULATED, IT IS BEYOND CRUEL AND STARMER AND CO SHOULD BE FACING LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS BUT THEY HAVE ALREADY PREPARED FOR THAT!
  • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
    · 2 days ago
    More bad news tonight, sadly.  The Times are reporting that the cuts aren't going to generate as much income as first thought and further cuts to disability benefits will come before the election.   It's probably got to the stage now, though, where there's not much left to cut anyway.  But hey, better they cut money for the disabled rather than tax the rich, right?

    • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
      · 1 days ago
      @SLB is there any way we can get to see the article without having a bloody paywall appear? After all, we're not going to have any money left soon!
  • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
    · 2 days ago
    See how they have not allowed Gordon Brown to comment anywhere  about the evil changes.
  • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
    · 2 days ago

    Looks like Angela Rayner has been at it again since I watched her do the same last week.

    This whole idea of her threatening to resign, I don't know where that came from, but she certainly doesn't sound like that is her plan now!
    • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
      · 5 hours ago
      @Mick If Stammer goes, Rachel Reeves will be gone, so it would fall on Angela Raynor she is the deputy PM.

      But anyone would be an improvement on Stammer, seriously even Larry the Downing Street cat would be an improvement on Stammer.
    • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
      · 1 days ago
      @Dave We can only hope.  The only thing then is what do we end up with after him and the when the next general election comes.  If we get Tories, Reform or if they get a coalition together as the Tories have been talking of then we're in an even worse situation.
    • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
      · 1 days ago
      @Mick We did hear on the radio a couple of weeks ago, the bookies are predicting Stammer will be gone within next few months + the apparently the only thing that has saved him till now, is Ukraine. 

      I wouldn't be surprised if Angela Raynor is working with the rebels to get rid of him.
      If Stammer goes, Reeves will soon be following him.
    • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
      · 1 days ago
      @Dave
      I guess it's possible she could vote against even though publicly she is toeing the party line.  I'd be very surprised if she did though.  You never know, it might be a dagger in the back from her and she's hoping to take the job of party leader and PM.  Maybe she knows there's going to be a massive rebellion and that they're planning to get rid of Starmer, maybe even Reeves and Kendall and others.  We can but hope.

      If she does vote against and is secretly leading a rebellion, of course it's going to come out eventually.  I think it's too much of a risk and could be a career ending disaster if it were to fail.  I just cannot see her taking that risk, unless she already knows that the rebellion is in place and will be so huge it can't fail.  I wouldn't advise anyone to be holding their breath in hope!
    • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
      · 1 days ago
      @Mick The Canary suggests voters should "demand a return to genuinely supportive and empathetic governance". A return? Remind me someone - when was it we had that?

  • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
    · 2 days ago
    They will see a Rebellion as their vote share goes down. Not one Mp wants to lose their lucrative job.
    No one is safe no matter what your condition or disablement is.
    They always throw genuine cases off benefit when these kind of attacks are made on us. They will leave you without support for up to a year in the purgatory of reconsideration,appeals and reapplication. They don't not care if you have no food or face losing your home. They will not take pity and help you.
    Literally we all need to tell their Labour Mp that they will never  get your vote again unless they publicly announce opposition to the cuts. Of course some Mps like mine did will ignore you. If they do you know they aren't interested in helping you you never vote for them again. It will all add up some cling to their jobs by the narrowest of margins.
    Please use the one thing they haven't taken off us yet!
    Vote against Labour in every local, council and finally General election.


    • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
      · 2 days ago
      @Arthur Hi Arthur

      I AGREE with you but whether or NOT there is ENOUGH rebellion to get these green paper proposals thrown out or NOT I do NOT anyone has a clear number of how many back bench MP's will FULL ON REBEL! The move to allow them to just abstain if they were against the green paper reforms was just another deployment of manipulative tactics deployed by starmer, reeves, raynor kendall and co, 


  • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
    · 2 days ago
    I jus had my review award . Continue Enhanced for both but for 10yrs.  
    However 2 of my descriptors were previously 4 and this time they are 3. 
    Tempting to jus take the 10yrs and not submit MR .. I doubt I'll be here in 10yrs. 
    But you can't trust them not to take away award when new rules come in 
    • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
      · 17 hours ago
      @Gilgamesh There is only one 3 point descriptor.
    • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
      · 1 days ago
      @Anon A It has dawned on Tom + I today; Could all this messing with the benefits be a ludicrous + clumsy attempt by this government to try + trip people up? If so it's going to work spectacular + will blow up in the faces of this government.

      After a few anxious weeks + with the help of our MP Lucy Powell, the DWP finally phoned us concerning Tom's uncle + him migrating over to Universal credit from the ESA. The DWP finally accepted + are now going to arrange an officer to call on him + their words support him onto Universal credit + they will now extend the deadline date of his ESA, that was due to end next week. It has been nothing short of ridiculous few weeks with the DWP refusing to even listen to Tom, concerning his uncle. I personally had given up hope that Gary was going to lose his benefits.
      But today they actually phoned us + even spoke to both of us.

      I did try to enquire concerning any changes to his PIP: But even the DWP officer did not know what would be happening + he himself said 2 of the planned changes were unworkable. That alone shows the slap dash way it's been done.

      This ludicrous idea will get people off benefits but not into work, they will be left destitute + it's a disgusting way to treat anyone.
      Which direction to the workhouse? 
    • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
      · 1 days ago
      @Gilgamesh I wouldn't rock the boat,they could change it in a way you don't want,10 yrs is great,I have ongoing to be looked at after 2033,question is,will they honour the 10 yr/ ongoing awards or are they going to keep calling us in for a " check up" I just can't help feeling that noone is going to be safe or no award guaranteed after Nov 26
    • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
      · 1 days ago
      @Gilgamesh My approach would be take the money! The 10 year arrangement should stand, but even if it doesn't, right now you don't have to fight. If and when you need to fight...fight!
    • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
      · 1 days ago
      @Gilgamesh Congratulations, but seek advice on the downgrading of your points.
  • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
    · 2 days ago
    I have a really bad disease they call it I am on injections every month and it's totally dibilates me however  I work part-time but had to give my teaching job up because of my illness yet when I applied for pip they as good as said because I. The interview I was confident and can move around I didn't get awarded it it's so wrong my  even my consultant thinks this is penalised as I have full support from the hospital  but in the eyes of the DWP I am okay lol joke 
    • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
      · 2 days ago
      @Annmarie Please ask them to reconsider + maybe even appeal it.
      In 2017 my partners uncle was originaly refused PIP  with a ludicrous reason he did not attend an interview over in Birkenhead, we live in Manchester. My partners uncle is riddled with arthritis + they somehow presumed he could get it. With the help of the CAB we asked them to reconsider. It was pointed out to them he has arthritis  + was nearly house bound + asked them to explain how he can get to Birkenhead, they then suddenly decided he was now entitled to PIP + they awarded him diffrent points + paid him. When he was next up for review they themselves came out to see him + agreed he still entitled to PIP. Good luck.
  • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
    · 2 days ago

    This post has now been removed as no source has been forthcoming for the contents.
    • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
      · 13 hours ago
      @leapoffaith please don't panic.  Look on Scope, who have legal experts who know what the new proposed system is. Someone else has said on here, Scope have said only 8 points are needed, one 4 point and 2 others.  You can also ring the Scope helpline for help with this, whose advisors are trained in welfare rights.
    • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
      · 13 hours ago
      @Moose Yes, this!
    • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
      · 13 hours ago
      @Anon People have already expressed severe distress at reading this. One even said they had been awake all night trying to find reference to what you are saying.  Others have said there is no reference to this in the Green Paper. Again, can we try and avoid saying things without clear reference and only reference anything directly from the Green Paper as anything else is pure speculation that is obviously causing such distress to people already under a lot of strain. Very serious!
    • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
      · 1 days ago
      @Anon It’s a total of 8 points not 12 that is needed - with a 4 being needed in the 8 - I.e 2,2,4

      From the Scope website -
    • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
      · 1 days ago
      @leapoffaith Hi, I think there is some confusion.  There is no "new three tier system".  What the government is proposing is that you can only get the daily living component of PIP if you have scored 4 or more points in one of the descriptors.     
  • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
    · 2 days ago
    Then if there's no legal recourse, civil disobedience is a duty. 
  • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
    · 2 days ago

    Another scam APPG filled with people who are all for the cuts.
    • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
      · 1 days ago
      @Gingin
      It sounds like the one you're attending is a different one to the one I posted, gingin.

      As far as I know the APPG's/selected committees are made up of cross party MP's and Lords.  Any of them can sign up if they have a particular interest in the group/subject at hand in that particular committee.  I don't think they are just temporary, unless they disband because the particular matter they are dealing with is closed/dealt with/completed.  I could be wrong though, as I'm not versed in all parliamentary affairs.

      These lot, as DJ has said, are slippery fish.  It's clear that Starmer and Co. Have very carefully plotted everything out knowingly to avoid any way to stop them.  Bunch of sly, conniving, sickos that they are.  They've infiltrated as many areas as they can between them and their think tanks, committees, so called (non) disability groups and charities, advisors, been training up on rhetoric, language, repeat, dodge, tactics etc, etc.  Everything seems to me to point to them having all of this well sewn up in advance.  Starmer made it clear he's going all the way as he said "I like a good fight".  He knew there was going to be backlash, legal challenges and all the rest of it and was more than happy to "fight".  They're going to twist and turn and outright lie, as they have already done so many times.

      What it needs is a room full of deeply knowledgeable disabled people, who know every nuance and exactly what this is going to do, live on TV at prime time, to have Starmer, Reeves, Kendall for a good 3 hours to give them a proper public thrashing.  Show the public and other MP's the truth and reality of this.  The real numbers, the real outcomes, the real home truths and effects and not allow them to slip, slide and wriggle around anything the way they do.  Have a disabled host who gives them no quarter.
    • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
      · 1 days ago
      @Gingin Yes you would be a good person for the group to hear. God bless you.
    • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
      · 1 days ago
      @Mick I could be wrong, but as far as I understand select committees are formed to examine a particular issue and are therefore temporary. The Carers APPG I am attending is different- it meets 4-5 times a year and has existed for over 10 yrs. As the name suggests, it’s made up of MPs from different parties. The Chair of the Carers APPG has extensive knowledge and expertise of carer issues and the group is unanimously against the proposals as they stand. Carers UK was elected to manage their meetings and they’re inviting me and possibly one other carer to speak about our personal experiences. Carers UK are urgently mounting a campaign against the cuts. The secretary for the group told me that they feel the cuts will likely go ahead but they are hoping for mitigations. 

      I don’t see this meeting as a whitewash like the select committee as I haven’t seen it publicised anywhere, so it wouldn’t be much good as a publicity stunt. The membership and remit was explained in detail to me. I was invited after sending an email to the APPG explaining my alarm and distress at these proposals and I think the secretary felt I raised the pertinent points in an effective way, so I would be a good person for the group to hear. 
    • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
      · 2 days ago
      @Mick Hi Mick

      I thought I was the only one who had picked up on the APPG on this site.

      I THINK that you are absolutely correct.

      There are certain arenas/forums whatever you want to call them that ARE NOT presenting themselves as what they appear to be!

      Whilst I ADMIRE all that are engaging and basically giving their piece of mind to these proposals I DO think that a little caution is at this stage required.

      Perhaps, it is NOT so much of I am here to help mission but more a case of certain entities, or whatever you want to refer them as, is a case of they are pretending to help but actually all that is going on, in my opinion, is lip service and a chance for them to get the 'heads up' on public opinion to then be able to feed back to the powers that be, re Starmer and co., that this is the next wave of public outcry as such giving them them the power to pre-empt and be able to throw it back in the faces of the disabled, sick, mentally ill etc..,

Free PIP, ESA & UC Updates!

Delivered Fortnightly

Over 110,000 claimants and professionals subscribe to the UK's leading source of benefits news.

 
iContact