Please be aware: this article deals with the DWP seeking new powers which some claimants may find distressing to contemplate. 

As the DWP steers a bill to give it access to 9 million claimants’ bank accounts through parliament, it is already pushing for additional powers of arrest, search and seizure.  In effect, the DWP is aiming to have its own anti-fraud police force and to be able to impose huge fines without going to court.  But should such plans go ahead?

Lessons from recent history
The current Post Office scandal is clear evidence of what happens when such powers are misused and there are some worrying parallels between the behaviour of the Post Office and the DWP, as we noted earlier this month in Post Office Horizon software originally aimed at claimants

And there is no doubt that the DWP are serious about getting these powers. 

In a May 2022 report entitled ‘Fighting Fraud in the Welfare System’ the DWP said that “we plan to create new powers so our officers will be able to undertake arrests and apply to search and seize evidence in criminal investigations, when parliamentary time allows. This will enable them to act in a timely fashion, without always having to rely on police resources.”

And last year we reported on a survey which the DWP claimed proved that the majority of the public want them to have such powers.

The DWP say that these powers will be used against “serious and organised fraud”, but how long would it take them to decide that allegedly fraudulent PIP, ESA or UC claims by individuals constitute “serious” fraud?

It is important to note that in the same May 2022 report the DWP used exactly the same phrase “when parliamentary time allows” in relation to creating legislation that would force third parties, including banks, to hand over data to them. 

The following year those provisions were slipped into a bill going through parliament and they are now at committee stage in the House of Lords. There appears to be no serious attempt to prevent them going through.

 So a DWP police force is a genuine possibility and the same technique of adding the provisions to an existing bill in order to allow it may be used again.

Huge fines
The same document also explains that the DWP want powers that allow them to introduce a new type of “civil penalty”, whereby they can impose very large fines on claimants they suspect of fraud, without needing to meet the burden of proof required in criminal courts or even to actually take the claimant to court. 

The fine will be based on a percentage of the amount the DWP believe, but cannot necessarily prove beyond reasonable doubt, the claimant has been overpaid.  It will be in addition to the claimant having to repay all of the alleged overpayment.

Your experiences
When concrete plans to introduce such powers are produced, it’s vital that claimants and the bodies that represent them are not caught unprepared and without evidence about what the results might be.

Crucially, we need to know whether the DWP is open, transparent, subject to effective scrutiny and has an ethos of abiding by the rules and regulations that govern its conduct

So, we’d like to know if you have always been treated fairly by the DWP or if you have you been left feeling helpless in the face of an organisation that makes rules, but doesn’t necessarily follow them itself?

For example:

  • Have you tried to report a change of circumstances by phone and been unable to get through?
  • Have you reported a change of circumstances in writing and received no acknowledgement?
  • Have you sent the DWP documents by recorded delivery, but they have denied receiving them?
  • Have you been threatened with legal action if you didn’t repay money without it ever being proved that you owed it?
  • Have you been told you must withdraw a claim for a benefit immediately or face prosecution for fraud, even though you know you have done nothing wrong?
  • Have you been interviewed under caution without being able to have anyone with you?
  • Have you been offered a deal by the DWP whereby you have to agree immediately to accept an award of a disability benefit that is lower than you think you should get or have the offer withdrawn and have to go to appeal instead?
  • Have you been treated in any other way that suggests the DWP cannot be counted on to follow rules and regulations and treat claimants fairly?

Let us know about your experiences in the comments section below, or use our feedback form if you prefer.  We may publish your feedback, but we will not identify you in any way.

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    · 9 months ago
    Absolutely not. 
    The DWP are making benefit claimants into scapegoats. They are an easy target. This stops Now. 😒
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    · 9 months ago
    I had to go to tribunal when they stopped my benefits. I can’t remember if it was PIP or esa but it was so traumatic. I attempted suicide.  The judge, a doctor and a disability rights person who didn’t speak but just stared at me. And made me feel so uncomfortable. I felt like a criminal. And was spoken to so abruptly by the judge spoke throughout the interrogation. As it wasn’t a health assessment whatsoever, I felt like a prisoner or someone who was arrested for a criminal offence, because of how the judge spoke to me. Her tone was menacing and cruel, and she spoke down at me angrily. 
    The minute I walked into the room she stated that, “Was I sure I wanted to go ahead with this, because if they didn’t agree with me or believe what I was stating, I would have all my benefits stopped immediately”.  I burst into tears, because the thought of that made me feel worse. It was so degrading, humiliating and totally unjustified. 
    The judge was constantly arguing with me, reading out sentences from reports I’d sent as evidence, stating that I could walk when I couldn’t, not without significant pain. She kept having a go at me, pushing me to keep answering when I said I couldn’t remember certain things and berating me and goading me, until the doctor tried to stop her and kept interrupting her, because he could see it was upsetting me too much. 

    I had a witness in the room. My Mental Health support worker, who said she’d seen this type of inquisition previously. 
    It was so appalling how I was spoken to. I couldn’t get over it. I’ve never gotten over it, every time I have to have a review, I’m physically sick and even more stressed and start to have panic attacks and suicidal tendencies because I’m so scared of losing my benefits and struggling even more so, having to fight and a big fight, when I feel so poorly and already very exhausted. It was not right. 

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    · 9 months ago
    One of the (many) problems with the DWP is that they don't ask, they investigate: guilty till proven innocent.

    I was investigated three times over undeclared student loan I wasn't even eligible for (it was Disabled Student's Allowance).

    Moved house 20 years ago and under investigation for 4 years, interviewed under caution, solicitor present (paid for by me) for a mortgage that was pre-approved by DWP.

    Currently 2 years into investigation into 2020 house move where DWP confirmed proceeds were protected under capital disregard legislation (for building works to make house accessible); now they say not and I’m on my way to tribunal. It’s been such torture and maladministration that ICE made them compensate me. They haven't even managed to send me a copy of their mandatory reconsideration letter from last July, so I'm going into tribunal not knowing the details of what I'm accused of (except the woman on the phone says I'm looking at the wrong legislation, even though my legal advisers assure me the DWP's initial advice was correct). I know I should win at tribunal, but I'm scared in case I don't because they will then reduce my benefits to recoup £50K that I don't owe them. Hanging over me. I dread any communication from them, which means any day but Sunday, I'm waiting for an envelope to fall.

    They will drive many more of us to suicide if their legal powers are expanded because they are both pursuing an agenda (rather than independent investigation) and too incompetent to do it effectively. 
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      · 9 months ago
      @Anon Look at all the suicides and early deaths in the 20 years of the post office scandal.  When bullying is carried out by a collective entity, who's going to be held accountable?
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    · 9 months ago
    Is it not an invasion of privacy under the law to delve into private bank accounts ? I for one will fight it and suggest you all do the same 
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      · 9 months ago
      @toni Toni,They are already doing it.my son had to send 4  months statements in,
      He's on Universal credit,also very ill after a stroke and they have harassed him until he felt suicidal.
      My local MP got involved after I complained  ,and a couple of days ago DWP rang me to say they were only checking up to see if people were getting the right amount of money
      This is not true
      My son has lost his normal speech and so I have been helping him deal with this
      Also they make it very difficult to send bank statements in,as have to be sent by PDF,my son wasn't able to do this and I had no idea how to.
      We got help, but all the time there was the threat of losing his UC if not sent in by a certain date
      Now they are asking for more proof of how his stroke affects him ,his GP has been approached BY DWP but as he hasn't yet returned the details my son now has to have a capability for work assessment 
      So don't think it won't happen it already is
      Also they already knew his  account no's  ,when he was first contacted ,so they already have access o peoples accounts
      My son has nothing to hide so the excuse they are just looking for fraud isn't true
      My poor son has since had another minor stroke since all this and can't eat or sleep
      DWP are destroying lives and I have threatened to go to the media 
      It is disgusting targeting ill and disabled people instead of the ones they should be,
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      · 9 months ago
      @Jules they will not delve into private bank accounts
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    · 9 months ago
    I don’t agree with them having access to bank accounts. And do they think that the people committing the fraud are that stupid to get money paid into the bank ? The DWP are intimidating and yes I did fight to get my sons money which was reduced from enhanced on both when he was on DLA to Zero when he changed . It took 4 years to get the money back and having to go to a solicitor.
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    · 9 months ago
    I have huge concerns about these new powers, and I wouldn't trust the DWP further than I could spit a cow. If they did get these new powers to monitor bank accounts, I would revert to using cash, and never be able to order anything online again - certainly not in my own name!
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    · 9 months ago
    The DWP are not fit for purpose, they make people jump through very large hoops to get a penny in benefits. I went for a benefit in 2008, I think it was called incapacity benefit, later called ESA and now part of UC, and was denied it. I later applied for it under ESA and was granted it. I would still be on it now if my savings hadn't gone past the £16,000 limit.

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      · 9 months ago
      @D.S It didnt need to stop because you had saving over 16k it would have just changed to a credits only claim
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    · 9 months ago
    Since 2012 I have had to go to tribunal 6 times for ESA and DLA/PIP. Each time the tribunal finds in my favour. I havn't worked since 2000 and was on JSA/Support group which wasn't a problem. Then changed to ESA and found fully fit for work. Over a year for a tribunal where I had no income other then DLA and of course losing all the other benefits of SG. Got it all back and back in SG/ESA. 2 years and a review, took it away again. CAB intervened and an MR got it put back. Another long delay. Then DLA to PIP in 15 and took all of it away. Another year for a tribunal where they gave it back. ESA had another go in 17, back to tribunal and got it back, another year wait. In the meantime PIp review and took it all away again. Another year and got it back in 18. 2022 and another PIP review left me with only low care. MR got Enhanced Mob back so appealed. 3 months wait and HMCTS sent text to say dwp had changed their mind in my favour. Despite that text, a woman from dwp rang me and started asking all the questions again. I told her to fuck off and put the phone down. Got the letter saying enhanced on both ongoing the next week. They started the PIP review ONE WEEK before my retirement in 2022 and could have migrated me onto the soft touch ten year but didn't. That can't possibly be within their rules. Nearly a year again before I got PIP back at full pay. I have written a formal letter of complaint, had a phone call from some woman I refused to speak to. Told her I didn't trust her or the system so any communication had to be in writing. Still waiting. Will give them the requisiste time and if no substantive response will take to Ombudsman
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      · 9 months ago
      @Julia So NO I don't agree with Dwp having access to our bank accounts. 
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      · 9 months ago
      @Jan Bailey Hi Jan Bailey, I also had Pip review sent to me Jan 2023 with Dwp knowing that I would become an OAP in May 2023. My Pip award ran until September 2023. Like you I hoped for migration to either 10 year light touch award or ongoing. Result last week? Assessment by IAS f2f next month. Fills me with absolute dread and fear. I've had my share of zero points, MR and even attended tribunal as they refused to pay me under Leap Review. I won every battle but now at 66 I'm about to run out of steam. I have osteoarthritis,  fibromyalgia, severe anxiety and depression. Why are the Dwp thinking that my illnesses will improve since reaching retirement? I asked Pip department if this review was illegal as they had ignored my OAP status which occurred 4 months before my (still current) award ran out. I was totally fobbed off with usual govt bs.
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    · 9 months ago
    Last summer I called the DWP to say that due to a heart operation I was going abroad for 6 weeks to recover. I was told to call them when I returned. I did so. I was expecting my PIP payment the following Friday and it didn't appear. I had a bad feeling. I fretted over the weekend and called the DWP on the Monday and was told I had breached the conditions for claiming. Fortunately, I had made a note of my call, the time of it and to whom I had spoken. Initially there was a bit of fudging from him but I insisted that the DWP guy check out my record properly. He came back to me with a very different tone, apologised and said the money would be in my account within 3 days. I told him, in a calm manner, how distressed and unwell this situation had made me and that this kind of incompetence is the last thing people need. I now am terrified to go abroad for more than 4 weeks even though I have another operation looming and find extensive stays in the sunshine healing. It's as if no one wants us to do the things that HELP us to get better!  This is a cruel and heartless institution. On this occasion I managed to resolve the issue but I was a breath away from a much worse outcome. I feel for everyone caught up in this awful web of compassionless bureaucracy.
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    · 9 months ago
    mathematics. on one occasion i was required to repay an overpayment but they worked out the amount incorrectly. i had to explain where they went wrong, and send my own calculation several times before they agreed i was correct. one wonders how many have been overcharged if they are unable to understand and check the maths!
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    · 9 months ago
    Typical of the dept. Aim for disabled/poor/elderly/vulnerable. Makes government look good whilst minister, "mates" & MPs save the millions. Hopefully this will fail!
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    · 9 months ago
    We are moving more and more towards a Big Brother society every year - it is frightening and will empower many people who I believe will abuse such power (a lot of people get power mad when they are given a little power).  I am worried about the future of this country for my children and grandchildren.
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    · 9 months ago
    One of the reasons the DWP think they can get away with these measures is that they have the support of the public. They have used the media to whip up hatred towards claimants and have people believing that claimants are better off than those in work.
    Today there is an article in the Telegraph stating that people on benefits are better off than a family earning £70000 a year. It's nonsense of course but most people will only see the headline and become outraged by it.
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    · 9 months ago
    It is a terrifying bill that is having no pressure or challenge from any opposing party. It should be against your human rights to have your own private transactions used to judge you. Many people buy things for relatives and there should be a right to privacy about how you choose to survive with the small amount of support you get from the state. Many people’s health issues may impact how they spend their money, when and with what. It is not humane to interrogate the most vulnerable people in our society in this way there are privacy laws. This will also just be a gateway for this to be applied to everyone, soon you won’t be entitled to help, support and healthcare all because of how you spent your own money. This is a sign of a very sick society where the real criminals in the country get all the support and care no matter what their behaviour and the vulnerable and law abiding citizens have their rights eroded. Thousands of people die in this country of cold every year. Thousands died when the PIP was introduced, thousands died when the bedroom tax was introduced but somehow parliament and society seems complicit that this is an acceptable outcome. Where are the human right activists for the sick?
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      · 9 months ago
      @Sandra When you say “ not challenged by other parties”,  please look at how the amendments were introduced at the last minute not allowing opposition parties the time to scrutinise line by line.  

      There is a large conservative majority in parliament. They can therefore get bills through regardless of opposition.  

      Please consider who you vote for. 
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    · 9 months ago
    I have -some years ago- had a renewal which totally disregarded everything in my claim form so I appealed the decision. Then had a reassessment  which took away everything I had. I felt intimidated and belittled and they treated me like a criminal, as if I had done something wrong, as if I was a second class citizen. It smashed my already fractured self confidence and the anxiety I now feel in dealing with them at any time is indescribable. I have done nothing wrong except to have health problems.
    If they get extra powers to treat us like convicted criminals I fear many people's mental health will be damaged beyond repair. The very idea fills me with terrible anxiety and distress. I'm sure I'm not alone.
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    · 9 months ago
    This is disgusting! A complete 'over reach' of power, it implies that people who claim are not trust worthy, they 'waste' their money, they are not entitled to spend freely and they don't deserve privacy. If this gets in, it will then move into other sectors (so don't think you are safe if you are not a claimant) and before you know it you will not have control over your own money, the government will, which mean you won't have control over your life...the government will. We have to make a stand... no to central banking, no to digital banking, no to this kind of surveillance as much as you possibly can. Use cash as much as possible and digital and AI as little as possible. 
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      · 9 months ago
      @deb more and more places are starting to go cash free, I prefur to use cash, but I agree with your statement
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    · 9 months ago
    this will encourage a witch hunt to reduce costs regardless if it is justified instead of hunting out the rich who hide their wealth and use scams and fraud to evade paying tax or to reduce their tax bill the government would rather screw the poor the disabled the elderly and the vulnerable in society they should be encouraged to get their own work done properly to counter act the underpayments they have been making 
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    · 9 months ago
    I've had to involve a community law service or a disability rights service for every claim.  The DWP ignored the information I provided, gave me 0 points throughout the PIP application and tried to get me into a work-related group for ESA.  Medical reports were ignored, and they strung out a claim that should have taken a couple of weeks at the most into something that took a year to resolve (in my favour).
    A friend who has lifelong learning disabilities caused by serious injury recently had their PIP stopped because the DWP decided that the person had made a miraculous recovery and had become completely well.  It took months of effort, more medical reports, and much stress, to get their PIP reinstated. 
    Bearing all of this in mind, and that the DWP has been found responsible by the Ombudsman for the maladministration of pensions of all women born in the 1950s, the possibility of a DWP benefits 'police force' is very worrying.  They are far from transparent, and very diifficult to deal with.
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    · 9 months ago
    No I haven’t been treated fairly. In 2018 I made a claim for benefits as I was unwell and my husband had a breakdown and I had enough went to the unemployment office made a claim and was given 300and something until my benefit got sorted 5 weeks later I got a letter from a debt agency asking for the money back. Told them I don’t owe money to be told I’m not eligible for UC I had to pay the money back I had no money to pay it back as couldn’t work( I was a lecturer in further education) before I became unwell since then I had made a couple of claims and told no my husband had to keep me. We had split up due to his breakdown. In 2023 I made a claim again as I was out of my mind with worry and was given UC . I wrote to them asking why now when nothing had changed since 2018 low and behold I was given 25000.00 because they had made a mistake this didn’t include any compensation for the years I had not received anything from then.
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    · 9 months ago
    Considering the current DWP error rate, on a scale of 0 to 100. 0

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