Neil Couling has admitted in a tweet that the DWP is sometimes illegally requiring managed migration claimants to produce fit notes and even agree to work commitments, but claims a fix is on the way.

The problem affects employment and support allowance (ESA) claimants who are being forced onto universal credit (UC) via managed migration.

ESA claimants should not be required to provide fit notes when they are migrated and ESA claimants in the support group should not be required to undertake any work-related activities.  This is because an ESA claimant’s work capability status travels with them when they are migrated.

Yet some DWP staff are forcing ESA claimants to try to get a fit note from their GP.

This is in spite of the fact that the UC claim form specifically tells ESA claimants:

“You told us you are currently getting Employment and Support Allowance (ESA).

“This means you do not have to provide a fit note to tell us about your health condition.”

The DWP’s “Advice for Decision Makers” also confirms that if someone moves under managed migration, their work capability assessment decision under ESA moves with them.

And the Universal Credit Regulations 2013 confirm that ESA claimants take their work capability status with them.

But examples of DWP staff being utterly ignorant of the law are appearing even at this early stage of managed migration.

Edinburgh Coalition Against Poverty (ECAP) have said that through accompanying claimants making UC claims, they have discovered that Edinburgh’s High Riggs and Leith jobcentres “have been illegally trying to force such claimants to obtain a Fit Note from their GP and then go through a work capability assessment.”

Neil Couling, the head of the DWP’s UC team admitted on X on 16 October that the DWP are getting it wrong:

“We aren’t yet into big numbers but to reassure, we have an existing process to catch these cases, not perfect works for most, but you will see cases when doesn’t. Given volumes going up we are developing a tactical fix, to catch all, as I write, with a full system fix due later.”

The fact that the DWP need to create a software fix to prevent staff getting such a basic aspect of managed migration wrong, because they are incapable of training their staff to get it right, says a great deal about how unready the DWP are for “volumes going up”.

Meanwhile, anyone caught in this “test and learn” phase of managed migration is advised to make a note in their journal that, by law, they do not have to provide sick notes and also to state which group – limited capability for work or support group – they are in for ESA and that they must legally be migrated into the corresponding UC group.

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    · 6 hours ago
    Still nothing being done about it disgrace. Family member on esa support migrating to universal credit they wanted fit note. And told to prepare to look for work. Illegal activity from the dwp and nothing is being done about it. Have wrote a note in the journal to work coach explaining facts about esa support and how the same rules stay with you when migrating over. Still not heard nothing back can't speak to anyone disgrace.
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    · 19 hours ago
    The LAW BREAKING CONTINUES.
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    · 5 days ago
    Thank you I’ve been underpaid and nonpaid for years, and using wrong information loosing my mobility allowance retrospectively for ESA whilst being migrating to the new adult disability payment in Scotland. 
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    · 5 days ago
    Transitioning from Esa (support group) to UC filled up the form a week ago went to job centre today for ID check and got an appointment with work coach on the 13th Nov to sign a commitment. Mentioned them that i can t work because of disabilities and they responded bring a no fit note or otherwise if you don’t commit they will stop paying me.
    Any suggestions? Do i sign the commitment then sort things out or refuse to sign?
    Anyone in similar situation that can give me advice?
    Thanks
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      · 2 days ago
      @Marcus. Marcus surely you have to agree to the commitment so they can authorise payment perhaps we should all pay a solicitor for an hour and turn up to the job centre with them
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      · 3 days ago
      @Jon You are giving worrying and wrong advice.
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      · 4 days ago
      @Alex Sign the commitment you don't want them to stop your money I'm going to sign 
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      · 4 days ago
      @Alex Alex, It is illegal for the Work Coaches to demand a fit note when you are migrating from ESA support group. The Government website states no fit note is required, you should be automatically transferred to LCWRA of UC. Personally I would quote regulation 19, refer them to the Government website and make a complaint to the area manager. They have rushed this migration and not trained the staff in their own regulations. I would also send an email to your MP stating how they are acting illegally. If you post your situation on the forum here you will get further advice on who to complain to. 
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      · 4 days ago
      @James h Appreciate your point of wiew. I was thinking the same..but my strategy is that i m going to get as much info as possible (Citizen advice berau) then decide. My only fear is that if i commit I won’t be able to turn it around but if i don’t not sure what could happen!?
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    · 5 days ago
    Hello, I’m new here, could somebody please tell me what regulation 19 is
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      · 5 days ago
      @Rose Hi Rose if you look under the first topic of the news section -Budget news 2024-there is a post from Disabled Rights which quotes regulation 19.
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    · 5 days ago
    Hi All, I wonder if anyone is aware of the reason why DWP are insisting on migration claimants produce ID verification. I note that a few people in my support group are struggling with this and it feels unfair and discriminatory to be treating long-term claimants on ESA LWCA with this rule of verifying your ID and to attend a Job Centre physically. I wonder what the premise is around this, as these are not automatically new claims and are migration claims for which the DWP should have all the necessary species of information of a claimant ton file. Has anyone who as failed to their ID been rejected for UC or anyone been though this process without ID process. I think it is unfair for the claimant to produce ID physically and also to be scrutinised personally about this. I would welcome anyone feedback so I am able to share this with the group. 
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      · 2 days ago
      @Dr Khiz K I told them it was too much for me to get to the Job Centre which is true - psychiatric and physical illnesses (also on ESA support). They did a phone check with me, answering questions on information they held for me - ie last digits of bank account, national insurance number, etc. If it matches their information they accept it as proof of ID.

      Sometimes, being asked to go somewhere can be a ploy as the
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      · 5 days ago
      @Dr Khiz K Dr khiz I have had a message from my work coach today about interview next week also CV and job search I'm also from ESA support group
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      · 5 days ago
      @Dr Khiz K I've been asked for CV and id also what jobs am interested in
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    · 6 days ago
    Just been to migrate to universal credit at the job centre one of the questions asks you to list disabilities also you can leave messages on journal regarding your health just have to wait until they contact me regarding identification
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    · 6 days ago
    This as happened to my partner he is in the esa support group  twice in the last week he  as been asked about what work he is looking for  planning on doing he suffers from memory loss  the dwp are totally useless in there response I have had everything from he as to look for work (been in the support group means nothing) to it a computer fault  to we can't find his records even by the dwp standards it a mess we are now been threatened with sanctions if he does not prove he s looking fir work they do not know what they are doing 
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      · 6 days ago
      @Jason Hi Jason, you need to make a complaint on your journal.If you post on the main forum I'm sure one of the Mods can advise you the best way to make a complaint to get it rectified. It keeps happening to people and it is against DWP regulations for work coaches to ignore Support Group status when migrating to UC.
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      · 6 days ago
      @Jason @Jason Sorry to hear that I know the Dwp is a shambolic institution they lost my medical records a few years ago still waiting to be moved myself really not looking forward to 2025 but I shall enjoy my last Christmas of peace and quiet
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    · 7 days ago
    Just had this happen to me this morning so I've copied and pasted all of the info and also told work coach that my uc application told me since I claim esa I don't require a fit note. Also told him regulation 19. Just absolutely beyond appalling how there is no communication at all and staff don't know any of the rules in place it's not fair or acceptable to do this to vulnerable people!! How have they done this roll out and accelerated it when there's clearly huge issues and zero training. I am so glad I know my rights and laws to quote them cos they really will destroy anybody who doesn't know there right.
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      · 1 days ago
      @Adama Yes adama I have my interview Thursday at job centre I think they have been told to save money so I will tell them I am in ESA support group
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      · 2 days ago
      @Jon No! And I won't be! I've told them the rules and law and just waiting for my esa to transfer across so they know the group I'm in. I have first commitment today but it's over the phone as I asked for reasonable adjustments due to my DISABILITY. I also will be making a complaint to area manager if today they make me agree to work commitments. It's a disgrace and farce the whole migration
       
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      · 4 days ago
      @Adama Have you started your work search
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    · 8 days ago
    If they insist you need to send a fit note or see a work coach, is there anything that the claimants can redirect them to like a Gov article with the right information?
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      · 1 days ago
      @Ah We should all take solicitor with us pay for one hour perhaps 100 pounds.
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    · 8 days ago
    Back again to warn people to be careful. My entitlement is around £2290 as I have disabilities so does my child. Yet they've offered me a benefit transfer advance of £1000 and not even close to my entitlement everything is verified so I have to now suffer for 6 weeks once I pay rent I'm essentially gonna have to use food banks and won't afford heating as don't get pip for another 2 weeks. This system is horrific :( how can they give me an advance that's 75% less than what I have been getting every month in legacy benefits. Not to mention forcing me to go do a commitments interview??? Surely this isn't right. And NOBODY answers the journal entries. 
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    · 8 days ago
    horrendous. I migrated and verified
    me and my child online.yesterday and
    my advance amount is 500 less than 1
    should get. Within 2 minutes of applying
    was sent a job centre appointment to
    accept commitments despite me being
    agrophobic and being in support group
    for 9 years! Where are the reasonable
    adjustments for disabled people it's
    inhumane. ï've left a journal not and
    asked can I accept the commitments via
    video call or telephone. Why do they
    insist on ill people attending job centres.
    Whole thing is a farce and needs to be
    paused before they harm anymore esa
    support group claimants. There is zero
    support for us moving over and they are
    treating us as job seekers. I also see my
    transitional protection isn't added yet
    nor is my limited capability which I
    should have automatically due to being
    in support group. I also have to pay my
    rent our the advance which leaves me 500 worse off due to missing the transitional amount and the limited capability amount!! Also not to mention the disabled child element for uc is considerably less than the disabled child amount for tax credits 
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    · 8 days ago
    I have had a nightmare transferring over from IR ESA as dwp told UC I was on CB based ESA which has never been the case.  I am currently undergoing cancer treatment and I have to send multiple messages daily through the journal as they have not sorted this out.
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    · 9 days ago
    what concerns me is after being migrated are they going to wait a few months and then trigger reassessments to get people who havent had a reassessment in a long time kicked off LCWRA group? 
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      · 4 days ago
      @Rik It was the last conservative government that brought forward esa to uc migration from 2028/29 to 2024/25.The tories did this to 'save money'.Labour could of halted this when they got into government but they didn't.The esa to uc migration is and always will be a shambles.ESA sg being asked to provide 'fit notes' when they migrate and whole reason SG exists is because sg claimants can't work.You would expect Labour to sort this particular aspect of esa sg to uc migration our instead of dragging their feet.
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      · 7 days ago
      @bobtehbuilder They will. Labour isn't after getting people off UC but getting people on to the lowest level of UC to save money. Whereas the Conservatives said they'd existing claimants alone. As I've said before, Labour are not our friends.
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    · 9 days ago
    The best way to deal with dwp mal-administration is to stand firm and stick to the law. Irritating people, wasting gps' time and wearing ourselves out with tactics is not a good idea. We should not be accommodating incompetence by playing any kind of game. The regulations are clear, and we can all be certain now that esa support group requires neither fit notes nor work search commitments during the managed migration process. 

    There is enough press coverage and acknowledgement from even dwp to mean we can insist on due process. 
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    · 9 days ago
    I wonder why  Neil Couling would say they are working on a fix to catch everyone that transfers over. Hardly seems likely they would be doing this if they are planning on giving everyone work commitments.

    However, the DWP aren’t really known for their integrity.
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      · 9 days ago
      @Anon The DWP are known for saying one thing and doing other things.
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    · 9 days ago
    The dishonest thing of Liz Kendall is that she parrots that they'll create "good jobs that pay decent wages".

    Why can't they provide such "good jobs that pay decent wages" to the millions of people who are working on the minimum wage!
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    · 9 days ago
    Incidentally, I have tried not to post anything negative as Im fully aware how this affects severely disabled benefit claimant especially with serious mental health problems.

    Sadly this absolutely pure evil governments welfare policies are making it extremely difficult to not do so.
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      · 4 days ago
      @Jon @Jon not yet I’m going to enjoy my last Xmas of peace and quiet and goodwill to all men 
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      · 4 days ago
      @M shirker Mr shirker have you had your migration letter
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      · 8 days ago
      @M shirker I was diagnosed also with depression in 2004 but in between working was on JSA back then before my psychzophrenia diagnosis in 2013 and onto disability benefits I have had my migration letter for 5 weeks going to nearby job centre next week to complete online migration
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      · 8 days ago
      @Jon @Jon had my Austistic spectrum diagnosis back in 2013 then before that I used to go down with depression on the old incapacity benefit well it was easy back then I just had my 50th last month I to would be interested in part time work it depends on the work coach and the rules etc 
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      · 8 days ago
      @M shirker Yes I wasn't diagnosed with my condition until 2013 so I was on the work program prior to that
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    · 9 days ago
    My personal advice if this happens
    (As previously posted)


    Irritate them. Go to your doctor more often and say, sorry doctor, I'm here more often due to the DWP's new policies that its seriously worsening my medical condition and significantly affecting my health and wellbeing.


    If you have carers under Social Services ask your doctor to have new reviews from both Social Services and Occupational Therapist (get a copy of both reports especially your new care plan)

    Remember if your care plan has increased care hours most people, who may be paying privately,may now have to get help with the new costs etc


    You can then make an official complaint to them all that this would not occur if the DWP had left you alone and its costing taxpayers more by this Government using the DWP to implement these heinous measures.


    Finally also complain to your MP that by Implementing these horrendous measures its costing the taxpayer much more for the reasons given above and obviously your health is significantly deteriorating because of them.

    Your sole focus is to manage your health/medical conditions 24/7 definately not look for work related activities
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    · 9 days ago
    Benefit reform is also set to be accelerated this year, with 800,000 people on the old Employment and Support Allowance (ESA) benefit to be moved onto Universal Credit (UC) from this autumn instead of 2028.

    This move will bring more people into a modern benefit regime, continuing to ensure they are supported to look for and move into work.

    From : DWP news 28/10/2024



    Is this the reasons why the Work Coaches  and Case Managers are deliberately ignoring Regulation 19 ;
    They are fully aware what's in the upcoming Get People working White Paper ie the DWP are going to implement work commitments for those in the LCWRA group ?
    Presently there are no work commitments or Work Focussed Interviews etc





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      · 8 days ago
      @Harry I should add that this govt have a habit of announcing stuff that's already been announced. So this 800,000 could be what we already know, or it could be an escalation of the migration process. I doubt we'll get confirmation from the DWP, which doesn't help!
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      · 9 days ago
      @Harry So they are going to start speeding migrations?! Again, I have to say the Conservatives were the least worst option!
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      · 9 days ago
      @Harry I know a work coach who lives opposite me, they don't get to know anything until they are told just before policies are implemented.

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