Strong evidence has emerged that the DWP is going to start migrating income-related employment and support allowance (irESA) claimants to universal credit (UC) this year, without any hoped for postponement.  The latest proof is in the government’s response to a report into UC by the Pubic Accounts Committee (PAC).

In the last few days we have highlighted growing evidence that suggests that any delay in the forced migration of irESA claimants to UC is unlikely to happen.

One clue was the DWP Touchbase newsletter, which said that the “correct level of support is in place to safely move customers over to UC”.  

We also highlighted that the DWP updated its “Move to Universal Credit if you get a Migration Notice letter” page on 30 August to include confirmation that “claimants who are moving to Universal Credit from Employment and Support Allowance (ESA) without a break do not need to provide fit notes if they meet the listed criteria.”

The latest evidence is in the response by the government to the PAC’s report into the DWP’s progress in implementing UC.

The original PAC report was written in April of this year, under the former Conservative government.  But the response, in the September Treasury Minutes, is addressed to “the new committee”, making it clear it was the current Labour government that wrote it.

The PAC argued that “With the move of Employment and Support Allowance claimants to Universal Credit now deferred to 2028, it will be vital for the Department to capture and act upon the learning from its current programme about how to migrate vulnerable claimants effectively.”

However, since that was written, the Conservatives decided to move the migration of ESA claimants forward.  So, in their response, the Labour government say:

“The department acknowledges the need to be ready for migration of the Employment and Support Allowance cohort in 2024-25 as opposed to 2028. This is in-light of the recent policy change to bring the migration of the Employment and Support Allowance cohort forward and deliver this element as part of the current Universal Credit Programme.”

This appears to make it clear that the Labour administration intends to stick to the new, accelerated timetable for migrating ESA claimants to UC.

The government also rejects the criticism by the committee that they should not be reducing the funding for the Citizens advice ‘Help to Claim” service at a time when more claimants will need advice.

The government argues that:

“The department is currently working with Citizens Advice to consider the impact on Help to Claim of bringing forward the migration of remaining Employment and Support Allowance claimants to Universal Credit and what steps are needed to ensure the right support is in place for these customers.”

ESA claimants who also receive child tax credit are already being migrated to UC.  It seems increasingly likely, but still not certain, that other ESA claimants will be following them in the coming months. 

The fact that the government is aware of how anxious claimants are about when the migration process will begin, but still chooses not to make an announcement, says a great deal about its attitude to people whose lives it has such an effect upon

You can download the September Treasury Minutes, which contain the government response to the PAC report, from this page.

Many thanks to Rightsnet, the website for welfare rights workers, for highlighting this document.

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    · 2 months ago
    I have just migrated over to UC from old style ESA and it has been very traumatic for me and my partner who is also my carer, he also claimed IS, I had to keep reminding them that I was in a support group, they tried to get me to fill out a UC50 out but i had to tell them a few times that because i am migrating my LCWRA status carries over, I had to provide fit notes while they were sorting it out and the last straw was when we received a letter frm from the council tax stating that the DWP had informed them that we don't qualify for UC !  yet again I phoned the UC help line who to be fair were excellent and sorted it all out for me and now it is all sorted, I don't know how it works for you on new style ESA but if you are on old Style and in the support group don't let them fob you off and make sure you get transitional protection so you aren't any worse off. 
    I found that the agents on my journal didn't really fully understand about migrating some one who was in a support group and from old style ESA so in my experience it is best to phone the UC helpline.
    Good luck every body.
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      · 2 months ago
      @Deb Deb are they badgering you, trying to get you back grafting, even though they are fully aware you was in ESA SG, and cannot work.
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    · 2 months ago
    Hi
        I'm on irESA and got this through I tribunal judge, and I've had the migration notice which sais I must claim UC by 5th Oct 24.  Does anyone know if I don't claim by this date, will the judgement I got still be valid and would those payments still go through, or would they stop dead.
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      · 2 months ago
      @Nightcity Exactly, that doesn't sound right.
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      · 2 months ago
      @Giggs Sent in July?
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      · 2 months ago
      @Giggs You must apply by the date on the letter, if you don't you will lose your transitional protection.
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      · 2 months ago
      @Giggs @Giggs, your payments will stop two weeks after your deadline (5th October, you say), unless you ask for, and are allowed, more time. There is an odd grey area where you get another month after your deadline, but I wouldn't be trusting that without confirmation. Best let them know if you're struggling to meet the 5th October deadline. 

      Just a note - when is the issue date of your migration letter? You're supposed to get 3 months to claim.
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      · 2 months ago
      @Giggs You would lose your benefit if you didn't claim by October 5th then if you applied after that date would not receive transitional protection and receive less money
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    · 2 months ago
    I’ve just been notified that I have to apply for universal credit by 2nd October.  I currently receive IR ESA (no end date), Child Tax Credit and Housing Benefit.  My concern is that they have told me that as soon i apply for UC my current benefits will cease!!
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      · 2 months ago
      @Bobbi Something amiss there, Bobbi, if you've 'just been notified' and therefore have less than a month to apply. 
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      · 2 months ago
      @Bobbi They have to give 3 months notice. How long have you had your migration letter for? 
      You should check the date on the letter because it may have been lingering in the postal system. You are given 3 months from the date on the migration notice to apply for UC
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      · 2 months ago
      @Bobbi ESA will stop after two weeks of making a universal credit claim
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    · 2 months ago
    I receive ESA and am in the support group and also claim PIP for anxiety, OCD and depression. I have until the end of November to switch to UC. I'm dreading it, the thought of it is causing my OCD to go into overdrive. 
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    · 2 months ago
    We have received ours, I am on ir-ESA support group and have until mid November to make our claim
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      · 2 months ago
      @HRH Lincolnshire 
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      · 2 months ago
      @Ian Parkin That's only 2 months, it's supposed to be 3!
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      · 2 months ago
      @Ian Parkin can i ask where you (and others who have migration notices) where you live as i imagine based on their past behaviour that the DWP & assessors are targeting specific areas so it would be good to know 
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    · 2 months ago
    I have been on income related ESA and basic pip for 7 years. Am I likely to lose everything with this transition. ? I thought they'd decided that UC was not working ? I have a long term mental health disability with depression and anxiety and this is really worrying me. Do they have support for the number of people who will lose their benefits due to this transition ? 
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    · 2 months ago
    My friend who is in support group of ESA received her UC migration notice yesterday 
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    · 2 months ago
    Hello all, I have MS and other comorbidities and had to leave my profession due to my disability. I was originally taken off ESA without migration to UC, this was a terrible process and I was left without welfare benefits for two months and was in arrears of rent up to 3k , with a notice to quit applied by my landlord. Despite all the appeals, DWP never repaid me any back-dated payment. I have several family members who have autoimmune comments like me and the process of migration to UC has been terrible. I would have presumed the whole purpose of migration is that you automatically go from one welfare benefit to another without any hassle or inconvenience, but to my dismay, it looks like you are still treated as a new claimant and have to undergo some tedious process as a new UC claimant. I have had family members on ESA Support LWC secured still having to produce fit notes and prove their ID. Like some of the clients on this site, some of the family members due to their disability hardly leave their home without help and support and this has caused a huge problem in going into a JC physically to prove their ID and have not been paid for months. The whole process of the ESA migration is not fully sought out and the process as promised by the DWP is flawed and discriminates against disabled people. I personally think the government do this deliberately to discourage people for applying welfare and to force them back to work. The whole system is unfair and arbitrary.  
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      · 2 months ago
      @Dr, K Khan thats just nonsense they do not try and put you off, DWP need to follow strict legal guidelines to get anew claim from a claimant and you do not need to get fitnotes and are not treated as if it was a new claim if that is the case then the   staff asking fro these need to be upskilled
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      · 2 months ago
      @Dr, K Khan Dr Khan, i totally agree with you.  It's all about putting you off, so you don't bother claiming, so they can cook the books,  and more importantly save money in the bargain at the expense of the claimants.
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      · 2 months ago
      @Dr, K Khan Are you receiving your UC payments now are you on the system
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    · 2 months ago
    I've moved successfully from ESA to UC. I didn't need a WCA but still had to get a sick note. I have CFS,but I recently had a stroke,and I'm on full pip for both. To be honest the whole change over was worrying but it was made rather easily and needn't have worried
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    · 2 months ago
    What is a compliance interview please? I am on irESA and I was so happy when I heard it would be 2028 before I would be migrated to UC. I have gone downhill with my mental health when I heard the date had been pushed forward. I barely get out of bed. I feel totally hopeless and have no security or stability whatsoever with this huge unknown thing about to happen. It looms over me like a black shadow that I can’t break free from. I don’t know anything about the process of migration so would like to hear from anyone about what to expect. 
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    · 2 months ago
    I received a UC Migration(from ESA) letter in August. I do not receive tax credits as I have no children. I made a mess of the online UC form as there was no guide to filling it in. Usually with PIP, ESA etc there is a handy guide to help fill it in. I am used to computers and online forms but I felt pressured to fill it in quicker than I would have liked. I looked around on various charities websites but their UC info was out of date. I could not find adequate help and there was no where to ask questions in the time frame given, as such my UC claim is a bit of a mess and being drawn out.
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    · 2 months ago
    Dear B&W,

    Are you able to contact Liz Kendall/DWP/other relevant parties and show them the fear and confusion rife among esa claimants waiting for the migration letter, and point out that the level of support promised by the government really does not seem to be in place for the vulnerable? The route to document verification, especially, seems to be a major issue.

    Many thanks.
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    · 2 months ago
    This government are just as bad as the last one. I am so glad that I didn't vote for them. There are so many other places where savings could have been made but they have made the choice to go after the elderly and the sick and disabled and the poorest. Despicable especially when one reads that the Chancellor made sure she claimed nearly 5K in fuel allowances!
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      · 2 months ago
      @Ella50 It all started by labour, then conservatives, and now back to labour.  Nothing has changed except its got much worse.  No political party in this country care about disabled people at all.  The disabled ministers have all been wet lettuces, and cowered down to their masters.

      Coroners, and high court Judges rulings still have none or very little impact on the DWP's factory.  They have their own vile discriminate, callous culture against the disabled people of Britain.  And its cost thousands of lives, and its still going on to this day.
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    · 2 months ago
    I have received the letter and I am currently being moved across to UC. I have kidney disease and it is a nightmare and will probably finish me off
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      · 2 months ago
      @A. Williamson Hi is there like a mock form one can download to prep themselves prior to receiving a notice of migration.
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    · 2 months ago
    A lady at the dwp told me (rightly or wrongly) that they will be moving contributions based esa over to uc at some point too. Will we still receive ni contributions? Will it still be non means-tested (unlike UC)? Thank you for all you do 
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      · 2 months ago
      @Mks I think some DWP staff are getting confused. What will happen with people in receipt of contributions based ESA is that the ESA claim will at some stage be converted to New Style ESA. It's still contributions based but is the newer version, which doesn't have an income related equivalent also called ESA. The relevance of the conversion from the old style conts based ESA to the new style is that it takes away the ability to claim an income related ESA top up. Your actual ESA will show no change and you'll receive the same amount and NI credits too.
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      · 2 months ago
      @Mks I think that's wrong, contribution based esa only can not move over to a means tested system without being means tested in itself, at that point it is no longer contribution based only income based, thus can't be correct as if they take away all contribution based benefits, anyone being made unemployed who has savings wouldn't qualify for a penny after paying into the system, that is surely not right on any level
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    · 2 months ago
    Had an awful time. A friends mother died so he had to be rehoused which meant be couldn’t migrate but was forced into a change of circumstances. JC were insisting on sick notes, work commitments, insisting he cancelled his ESA support group claim. He has agoraphobia but had to attend Job Centre for ID confirmation. They threatened to close his claim at every step. We had to involve our MP to help. This gentleman was grieving, homeless and his only income was his ESA and they were threatening to stop this. He was so scared.
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      · 2 months ago
      @dmwors Shameful. No empathy for what the man has gone though. Dreadful organisation.



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      · 2 months ago
      @dmwors I had that, I used to be on Income support and carers , mum died late 2017. In 2018 , housing Association wanted the 3 bed back so I had to bid for a year for a 2 bed, both myself and my daughter had autism.  Also my esa I had just got was stopped.  Living on nothing, they messed my claim up. Had to go to a tribunal.  Now waiting for esa review for 9 months,  on LCW but health worse. Dreading migration over to UC
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    · 2 months ago
    People are saying that You can longer verify your identity through the Government Gateway according to Gov.uk.  
      I presume there will be and must be another way to verify your identity online for them. Does anybody know what it is please?  
     Thank you.
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      · 2 months ago
      @John R You shouldn't have to since you are migrating from ESA support group to UC so you should go onto UC(LCWRA).

      However, the UC online application is treated as a new claim to my mind and does ask you sign a claimant commitment BEFORE you submit your claim for UC.

      Essentially, you are being forced to sign it against your will so you can make your claim for UC and you shouldn't have to this. If you don't tick the bus it won't let you submit your claim for UC.

      The DWP don't know officially you are migrating from ESA until you verify your identity online or at the Jobcentre.

      People should have been transferred over automatically or given a code to enter online so as the system automatically knows you are migrating from ESA support group and thus don't need to sign a claiment commitment.

      Apparently, you have to go to your journal and quote Regulation 19(Transactional Protections 2014) which means you would go onto LCWRA, the equivalent of ESA Support Group and would not have to have a Work Capability Assessment unless you were due a review. In addition, you wouldn't need fit notes.

      My point is none of this should be necessary, but that's the way the DWP have set it up.

      Please if you are unsure go to the CAB or Turn2us for advice.

      I am a layman and have just picked up this stuff from this site and Gov.uk

      I am ESA WRAG so I will transfer to UC(LCW) so the UC claimant commitment will be applicable to me.

      Sorry for the long winded reply but the benefits system is very complex even though it has allegedly been simplified





       
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      · 2 months ago
      @Jonno if you are in the support group, you still have a 'claimant comittment?
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      · 2 months ago
      @T You're welcome.
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      · 2 months ago
      @Kelsey When was it that you started your uc claim ? I think it's this year that they stopped using the government gateway for identifying peoplem 
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      · 2 months ago
      @T I was able to do so no problems 
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    · 2 months ago
    Labour aren't going to listen. Look at what they are doing already, cutting the winter payments, trying to push those on disability into jobs when there is a massive amount of 20 something year olds who are fit and healthy and could quite easily do the jobs. Continuing with possible ways of changing PIP payments into being vouchers or you pay and then reclaim the money. No one can afford to do that, its just more damned stupid ideas that get the push. Just like this one....Labour always claimed to be the party of the people...I think that's nonsense and always has been.
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      · 2 months ago
      @andrew They were under Jeremy Corbyn who got more votes that Starmers Labour. But Starmer got the votes where they were needed in our mad system.
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    · 2 months ago
    You can upload your id online but this doesn't guarantee the jobcentre won't contact you. Sometimes they ask you attend face to face,  or they might phone you, if they need to verify something about your claim or verify your id. 
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      · 2 months ago
      @Michael Thats might be what the MPs and the higher ups think happens, but many people are having a much harder time. As I said before, the system doesn't know you are migrating for many weeks and till then you are treated as a new claimant, with all the obligatory administration steps that normally entails. 
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      · 2 months ago
      @Michael No if you can't identify  yourself online.you do have to go into the jobcentre.cause I had to
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      · 2 months ago
      @Jonno You input your passport or driving licence numbers. They can verify this way but not always. They may still ask  you to attend job centre with certain papers. They give you a list what to take in if not verified online. There’s no set system. Everyone has a different experience as all job centres seem to work differently.
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      · 2 months ago
      @Michael It is true and clearly states on the Government website that if they need to verify your id or any other questions about your claim you can be asked to attend the JCP in person or be contacted by telephone. It should be easy to migrate and most people can do it online with no issues but not everyone.
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      · 2 months ago
      @Anon This is not true. Not for those migrating from ESA to UC.

      If they did have an issue with your ID, they would ALWAYS send a message through your journal.

      I can 100% assure you, the only time you will be called into the job center, will be because of a sanction, or something of that nature.
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    · 2 months ago
    i forgot to add this, that firstly A White Paper on the Plan to Get Britain Working is expected in the autumn.  so this is unlikely to enter legislation until the summer 2025 at the earliest.

    secondly another link on getting Britain to work states

    More disabled people and those with health conditions will be supported to enter and stay in work, by devolving more power to local areas so they can shape a joined-up work, health, and skills offer that suits the needs of the people they serve.

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      · 2 months ago
      @HRH The unemployment benefits system has been set up deliberately to make claiming benefits and understanding the system incredibly difficult and time consuming.their official policy is NOT to tell you what your entitled to.their answer to you not being on the right benefits is"it's up to you to know what your entitled to and what benefits you should be on".it's designed like this to make it very easy for claimants to not get their claims in on time and to just get so exasperated that they fail/or in the worse case scenarios fall extremely ill and as we've seen take their own lives.despite numerous occasions of failing to pay claimant the correvt amounts and years later forced to pay arrears and despite the vast amounts of cases of decisions to not pay claimants the benefits they should receive and being overturned at tribunal.despite all of these wake up calls do you really think that whilst knowing that the universal credit migration would be the biggest single event of such magnitude as to being without precedent,that they couldn't prepare properly in time??????
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      · 2 months ago
      @HRH These places already exist anyway like that restart and the health program in my local town they used to try and send me their but I said “no” 

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