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@Anon Article 54 of the green paper suggests the time limiting of CB ESA is only for new claimants by saying:

@Jamie Hi there, thank you for your answer in regard to CB ESA, but due to my own financial circumstances I will not get UC. Those who receive income related benefits receive more than those who rely on contribution based benefits as a sole income apart from receiving either PIP/ADP. People and others like myself on CB ESA  will not be protected. While I appreciate your very polite and kind reply all of us as disabled people irrespective of our disability or circumstances will be impacted by these changes. All the benefit changes being proposed are unfair to all disabled people. I feel worried and anxious not about myself but those who are less fortunate. By only standing collectively and uniting together can disabled people make a positive message by opposing the proposed changes through the Green Paper Consultation. Again I send my heartfelt thanks to the Benefits and Works Team who work so hard , are kind and positive and are brilliant at the support they give to all disabled people. Thanks to all disabled people who are so courageous to tell their own stories of and my heart goes out to everyone full of support. Thank you to one and all for what you do to give support to one another in these difficult times we are experiencing. 

@Anon @Anon I am also on CB ESA and will possibly stand to lose a similar amount to you alot is said about PIP which I get but only mobility but virtually nothing about CB ESA and what will happen to those of us set to lose that with the time limited period, and then nothing.

@Anon You won't lose anything. Yes, it's time limited, however, you will just move to UC on the same amount.

@Matt How long has a bank holiday lasted six days? 

@Matt You wonder why they bother turning up at all, but I guess we should be thankful for the holidays - at least they can't do much harm during them.

@Slb I agree with Gingin, you start playing their game talking about transitional protection and you are giving them tacit approval, you are admitting defeat and acceptance. If they don't realise themselves that there must be transitional protection then they are even worse than I think already. 

@Slb My post of my consultation answers wasn’t meant as a bashing- my motivation is to expose the deceit and to move them

@SLB Well I do. A couple saying not to worry it might be okay giving people false hope. And yes lambasting the naysayers like myself for saying this is not going to be okay, this is going likely to be bad, and I was criticised for saying that, being told you don't know, you could frighten people saying that. Nobody was trying to "scare the crap" out of people I was trying to be honest and realistic. There were some others the same. No I wasn't 100% but it was fairly obvious this was going to be bad. 

@Ala To be honest, voting Labour was the best of a bad bunch at the election.  Remember that a year ago we were facing no PIP money at all, and with it all being replaced by vouchers.  Nobody could have foreseen what Labour have come up with, though, and part of me wonders if the people who came up with these ideas even understand how the system works. 

@James Couldn’t agree more James 

@MJ They are wrong, people who they are targeting will NEVER vote for them!   Such peolple are telling me-dissabled: we've told you dont vote Labour, don't trust them!  

@MJ I don't remember anyone on here saying it will be ok, or for lambasting naysayers.  What they were saying was to not scare the crap out of people months before any announcements were made, and to wait for the announcements.  I really fail to see how all of that talk and rumour in the months leading up Kendall's speech helped anyone. 

@gingin I’m sorry it’s  the Carers APPG, not the Poverty and Inequality one (I got mixed up because I originally emailed 5 of them) 

@Pixelmum Of course (-:

@gingin Hi gingin, firstly I would like to say thanks for agreeing to speak with carers uk and taking it further with the all parliamentary group at Westminster, I was asked if I would like to take part too but it wouldn't be possible, even though I want to do all I can to show my support for against these cruel cuts. As a carer to my disabled sister I am worried sick about these proposals, what the future will hold for us if she loses her pip and lcwra and I would lose my carers allowance and council tax support. I recently had to give up my job of 24 years to care for her when our mum passed away, she was her carer and now we could have our benefits taken away. Just how does the government expect carers who cannot work live without benefits? How are we going to pay the bills,  rent, food etc? If you could raise these points when you speak I would be grateful. Once again, thanks for considering other carers and good luck. 

@gingin Well don gingin, please let us know how everything goes!

@gingin One thing very relevant to this as it relates to care is that it will trap people, particularly women, in domestically abusive situations with burnt-out carers, as people won't be able to pay for care after they lose their PIP. 

@Anon It's just numbers on a screen to them.

@Slb It's 400,000 according to JRF.

@Neil Cook That's if it goes through as a "money bill."  Some here think that will be the case, others don't.  I don't think anyone knows at this stage.  I don't see how changing PIP eligibility fits into a money bill.  The parliamentary website says that "A money bill is a bill that in the opinion of the House of Commons Speaker is concerned only with national taxation, public money or loans."    Either way, whether its a money bill or not depends on the view of the speaker of the Commons.  I guess we'll find out some point soon!

@Anon Aw I love this community too, because we together understand how difficult this is and i feel less alone because of that. But i'm one small drop in the ocean in this opposition fight - I hope everyone will do what they can to shout as loud as they can. 

@SLB Good stuff, Shane.

@SLB In terms of Lords delays, isn't Starmers trying to put these changes through via an Act of Parliament rather than a Statutory Instrument which effectively accelerates it's passing and massively limits anything the Lord's could do? Basically I think he's running scared coz he knows the Lords would most likely tear it to shreds 

@SLB Thank you, really appreciate you doing this 

@ANGELA You should more money on Universal Credit

@Kitty Thank you for explaining what you meant - glad we are on the same page!

@ANGELA Which benefits are you currently getting, Angela? Jamie is correct about transitional protection. You will get at least the same amount on UC as you get now, if not more. 

@ANGELA Nobody loses anything when they move to UC. You have transistional protection. I can gaurentee, you won't lose anything.

@Anon Anon. 

@robbie I thought the same. Old enough and adult enough to vote at 16, but not an adult until 22 when it comes to getting the same benefits.

@LeeLawson Not a mistake, just an attack from a different angle. Go with what works for you, we should all put things our own way. The important thing is to show we're not taken in by their deceit.

@WorkshyLayabout So they're planning to delay access to the health element of Universal Credit within the reformed system until someone is aged 22, but they're giving them the vote from 16 🤔

@gingin That's the way, though, @gingin, b*gger the questions, just say what needs to be said!

@gingin "Should we delay access to the health element of Universal Credit within the reformed system until someone is aged 22?
I fail to see how someone does not require financial support to live with expensive disability just because they're younger."

@gingin I read an interview with him today. His statements are appalling… 

@Scorpion well, so it says in the headline, and then tells you they are merely considering the move, although some people have resigned - although that seems are rather daft move, as it's no doubt easier to make changes from within than outside such organisations.

@Scorpion I can't believe the 'putting disabled people at the heart of everything we do' trash was repeated not once, but twice again by Mr Timms in that interview. It is beyond disingenuous. He and his crooked party should be ashamed. Not a scrap of integrity among them. 

@Anon Would being on an indefinite fit note have any bearing on wether or not u get pulled on for an assessment 

@Scorpion Agreed you would lose lcwra, and you would have to comply with conditions, but you would not lose all your social security payment, because you would be re-classed as lcw or looking for work.

@Kitty The New Economics Foundation estimates that the cuts actually amount to £7 billion and that the government has used a statistical sleight of hand to say the cuts only amount to £5 billion.

@Scorpion Read up on the 4 point criteria for PIP. People on PIP and LCWRA could lose up to 10K a year. 

@SLB @SLB - cuts to UC Health (LCWRA)will effect current claimants if they fail their next WCA or PIP reassessment. Recently the DWP confirmed WCA assessments will recommence until it's abolition.  The DWP also confirmed it plans to conduct more frequent PIP reassessments including for claimants on 10 year or continuous awards. 

@Bern400 That's great Bern, very explanatory and clearly pointing out the detrimental effects of these changes, really hope they reply, after you taking the time to write this it would be really shameful if they don't.

@Bern400 Well done, Bern400. Hope you get a respectful reply.

@Bern400 Brilliant!

@The Dogmother Ditto Dogmother, it really helps to stand together x

@The Dogmother It's difficult not to be despondent, knowing that we might all face a cliff edge in little more than eighteen month's time.  And then another in 2028 where we could get hit again.  But there's glimmers of hope out there.  Despite Trump hogging the UK headlines for a week, there are still news stories about the benefit cuts.  We now know of two inquiries - one into poverty and the disabled (which probably would have happened with or without the cuts), and the other about the cuts themselves.  It's easy to shrug them off as "just a formality," but they are not really.  Can they persuade the government to change course?  Not on their own.  But those inquries + pressure from charities (who seem to be speaking out more) + angered back benchers + possibly humiliating results in next month's elections could lead to something.  I feel more hopeful of a rowing back on what's going on now than I did two weeks ago.  But what the hell do I know!  lol

@Ilo Can you please post time/ date and venue. Thanks ✊

@Gingin Best of luck to you too x

@Ilo Good on you and the best of luck, I'm in NI but there hasn't been any meetings proposed here.

@Ilo Hi, I’m representing my husband too, and myself as his carer- Cardiff. Glad you got a ticket 

@Ilo Hopefully people will release the locations on forums to give people the heads up.