The DWP has suggested replacing PIP with a catalogue or a shop in the Green Paper on personal independence payment (PIP) reform published yesterday. The department also asks people to choose whether it is more important that disabled people have money for food or money for medication. 

Modernising Support for Independent Living: The Health and Disability Green Paper was published yesterday and is accompanied by an online consultation survey which the DWP say they want as many disabled people and other interested parties as possible to complete (see links at the end of this article).

Different type of assessment

In the first section of the consultation, readers are asked for their view on whether some claimants with medical evidence of specific health conditions should get PIP without any assessment at all.

Your opinion is also requested on whether only claimants with ā€œevidence or a formal diagnosis by a medical expertā€ should be awarded PIP.

You are then asked to explain how to prevent the requirement for a formal diagnosis from a medical expert having an impact on the NHS - because it will undoubtedly mean a great deal more demands on consultantsā€™ time.

Changes to eligibility

In the second section the DWP want to know whether the need for aids and appliances and for prompting should score PIP points.

They also question whether someone who get a lot of low scoring descriptors should be eligible for PIP at all.

And whether any PIP activities should be removed or any new ones added.

Finally, you are asked whether the current three month qualifying period and nine month forward test should be changed.

Meeting extra costs of disability

The consultation explains that PIP contributes towards the extra costs of disability.  It asks people which are the most important needs that should addressed ā€“ suggesting that not all of them can be. 

Respondents are asked to rank in importance from 1 to 10, such items as:

  • Medications and medical products
  • Additional food costs
  • Additional energy and utility costs
  • Additional housing costs

So, people really are being asked to decide if it is more important that disabled people get their medication, eat properly or heat their homes.

The same section asks people to list the benefits and disadvantages of moving to a new system for PIP claimants, which could be:

  • A catalogue/shop scheme
  • A voucher scheme
  • A receipt based system
  • One-off grants

The consultation then goes on to ask if there are people who, instead of cash, would benefit more from improved access to support or treatment, for example:

  • respite care,
  • mental health provision
  • physiotherapy

This does raise the question as to whether benefits claimants would get different/better/faster access to things like NHS counselling and physiotherapy?  Or whether they will be pushed onto short courses provided by private sector contractors hired by the DWP?

Passing PIP costs on to the NHS and local authorities

The final section asks some very bizarre questions about NHS and local authority provision, which most people would imagine the government would be better able to answer than the average member of the public.  For example:

ā€œWhich of the following do local authorities or the NHS help with?ā€

  • Equipment and aids
  • Medical products
  • Personal assistance (eg. help with household tasks)
  • Health services
  • Social care

The purpose of the questions, however, is clearly to sound out how much support there would be for pushing much of the cost of PIP onto the already desperately overstretched NHS and local councils.

What this Green Paper is really about

Modernising Support for Independent Living: The Health and Disability Green Paper is supposed to be a Green Paper setting out serious, carefully considered proposals for reform of PIP.

Instead it is a ragbag of random, cruel and foolish ideas thrown together by the DWP to serve the political needs of the Conservative Party, without any likelihood of any of them being acted upon. 

The Green Paper is simply intended to make the current administration look tough on claimants whilst goading the opposition into speaking out against it, thereby supposedly making them look soft on welfare.

The fact that it is causing enormous distress to many disabled claimants and their carers, as is clear from the comments sections on this site and elsewhere, is of no concern to the DWP or the Conservative Party.

At Benefits and Work, we donā€™t believe that this Green Paper will ever form the basis of new legislation.

However, we do think it is important that readers who feel able to, do take part in the consultation. 

Itā€™s important that whoever forms the next government understands the strength of feeling against dismantling the disability benefits system and instead concentrates on dismantling the department that was cruel enough to publish these proposals.

Take part in the consultation

If you are unsure whether to take part in the consultation, now that an election has been announced, please read PIP changes and UC migration ā€“ how will the election affect them?

You can download Modernising Support for Independent Living: The Health and Disability Green Paper

You can take part in the online consultation, which closes on 22 July 2024.  You are not asked to give your name or any other personal details.

Or you can email your response to:  This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

Please post a comment below if you take part in the consultation, to encourage others to do the same.

Blank consultation form for you to fill in

Many people have told us that they have found it difficult or impossible to complete the consultation because you cannot save the form and come back to it later.  So we have published a text version of the form, with spaces for you to type in your answers.  You can take as long as you like to do this and save it as often as you need. 

When you have answered all the questions you can either email the document to the consultation email address or, if you prefer to stay anonymous, copy and paste your answers into the online form instead.

Download blank form

Our submission

A number of people have asked how we are responding to the consultation.  We have published a copy of our answers to the consultation which you can download if you wish.  We wouldnā€™t advise you to copy them, but they may help you decide how you want to answer. 

We have tried to keep our answers brief as we donā€™t believe people should feel they have to write hugely detailed responses to what is, in our view a bad faith consultation.

Complaint about Question 18

We are particularly disgusted by Q18 and have sent a formal complaint to the consultation email address.  We would encourage other people to complain if they are unhappy about this question. 

Our complaint is worded as follows: 


 We wish to make a formal complaint about question 18 in the consultation related to ā€œModernising Support for Independent Living: The Health and Disability Green Paperā€

The question asks:

ā€œWhich extra costs incurred by disabled people are the most important for a new scheme to address? Please rank the following options in your order of importance:ā€

Respondents are then required to rank 10 extra costs in order of importance. 

If a respondent doesnā€™t wish to answer the question, the options will remain in their default order and that will be recorded as the respondentā€™s choices, even though that is absolutely not the case.

For many people, ourselves included, the entire premise of the question is inappropriate:  asking people to decide whether, for example, medication, a specialised diet or energy to power medical equipment and provide additional warmth is more important.  They are all vital to life and all of equal importance.

Even if people wished to choose, their ranking might vary at different times of the year or different stages in their condition. 

In addition, even if respondents feel able to rank these items for themselves, how can they possibly make that choice on behalf of other disabled people with hugely different needs?  Yet that is what the question requires.

We consider that this question should either be removed from the consultation or, at the very least, that there should be an option to decline to answer or to rank all options equally.

As it stands, this question is clearly rigged and has no place in a genuine consultation.


24.05.24 Please note:  we have now had a response to our complaint as follows:

"We would like to clarify that if a respondent chooses not to answer question 18, no response is recorded for that respondent. The default order of the options will not be counted as a response if the question is left unanswered.

"Furthermore, if respondents wish to provide additional details regarding question 18, including if they feel that all options should be ranked equally, they are encouraged to highlight this in question 19. Question 19 is designed to allow respondents to elaborate on their views directly related to question 18."

We are a little dubious about this response, because if a respondent agreed with the DWP's chosen order and so did nothing, they would apparently be recorded as having not answered the question.  And the DWP's response does not alter the fact that this is an extraordinarily inappropriate question in the first place.

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    · 6 months ago
    Sorry about typos in my.main post. I type too fast and mis hit lettersĀ 
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    · 6 months ago
    They've backed down before with much less pressure and aggressive response from so many directions.

    The important thing is to remember they have their lowest polling in history according to some polls and Labours lead is bigger yhan 1997?

    Labour have now made it clear they are about ss impressed as ee wre with these warped ideas.

    The most important things are.

    1. Try do the consultation by July or get support from someone else to do it.

    2. Vote in the election any vote not cast or wasted on a tony party with no chance is a risk, albeit a small one but still a risk.

    3. Sign petitions and tell the world snd his wife what's going on and it's real impact.


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      · 6 months ago
      @Rainbow
      Thanks Rainbow. You are so right.
      I have done all three of your suggestions.
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    · 6 months ago
    These changes would be abusive by nature and intent this vile tory government isstooping to an all time low
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    · 6 months ago
    I want to know what they propose to do with people who have had MH treatment but are still disabled. I've had over 20 yrs of psychotherapy for severe depression and anxiety, but at 52 it is my therapist's professional opinion that I am now very unlikely to improve. With the help of therapy & the support of PIP I have been able to build a life that keeps me stable. What they seem to be suggesting is that MH doesn't bear extra costs while completely dismissing the fact that basic benefits are at such a low level that they are creating MH problems in people who never had them to begin with. To expect someone with established MH problems to live forevermore on such a small amount of money that they will never be able to buy clothes, replace white goods, have a Christmas, celebrate birthdays, go on days out etc etc, not to mention afford both heating and adequate food. Well, what do they think will happen then? My PIP does pay for extra costs from my disability (tho I'm pretty sure that trains cost more than cars now) but it also allows me to cover all the costs of a basic, decent living - to compensate for the fact I will never work again and that I cannot deal with the stress of struggling to get by. The fact that most of the people who proposed these cuts are multimillionaires who have no idea how it feels to have to constantly count pennies is an absolute disgrace.
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    · 6 months ago
    There is a parliamentary petition against removal of mental health. Please sign it .
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      · 6 months ago
      @Pj Done by both of us. Come on everybody, share and sign, let's make the MPs take notice!
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      · 6 months ago
      @Pj Just signed it.
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    · 6 months ago
    Since leaving school iā€™ve been my mothers 24/7 carer, sheā€™s got a problem with her spine, she can move a bit but it causes her a lot of pain, so iā€™ve been taking care of her and the house ever since. We barely make the breadline each month and these talks of changes to PIP and the vouchers has me terrified that weā€™re either going to be on the streets or starving each month and barely making it. It doesnā€™t help my own depression and anxiety either.Ā 
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    · 6 months ago
    I feel extremely worried about these changes. I may be naive in asking this but I had been awarded PIP for 10 years until my next review. If changes do go through will that be meaningless? There are petitions against these changes but I am not good at sharing links. Really hoping these changes don't go ahead.
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      · 6 months ago
      @janerg63
      Janerg63. Good question.Ā  I thought about this myself.Ā  On the one hand they are giving awards for 10 years, then on the other hand they are proposing these changes.Ā  It would seem that they are trying to abolish P.I.P altogether!
      I just signed a Parliamentary petition that another member included.Ā  Also emailed my local M.P. Tulip Siddiq.

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    · 6 months ago
    I do not have the headspace to fill it in at the moment.
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    · 6 months ago
    My uveitis has flared again. It is one of the symptoms linked to my bone muscle disease.Ā  Thanks Rish šŸ‘Ā 
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    · 6 months ago
    If you donā€™t take job after 12 month they stop your benefit. This is pure evil something has to be done he is committing crimes against the Ill and disabledĀ 
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      · 6 months ago
      @Anon It is still a crime against people
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      · 6 months ago
      @Angel Unfortunately, any changes that become legislative are not crimesĀ 
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    · 6 months ago
    So they want people with disabilities and health conditions to fill in a form as confusing as a PIP form.
    Do they imagine that people with very complex needs or live in huge amounts of pain and on medication that can barely let them function will be socks too engage with this consultation.
    Only those fit enough can access the form. Most of my clients on pip have no internet access, or can't read or write well.
    One of the pip questions asks if you're able to plan an unfamiliar journey. These questions are far more difficult. By their own devising they have excluded most people who are on pip.
    I wonder what will happen to Motability under this new regime? Will we be given petrol vouchers?
    This whole thing stinks and has it's feet firmly planted in a totalitarian regime.

    It's so absurd it's actually funny.
    They almost admit that the NHS and care through local authorities has utterly failed under their underfunding and privatisation. All the things they say should be a right for everyone under the NHS, not some premium service that pip claimants get.
    My local hydrotherapy pool that I used to have access to twice a week (which I had to pay for anyway) is now only open to patients who are in private wards. Without it my confession is much worse. Would I more be given a voucher so I can use it again?

    I'm honestly speechless
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      · 6 months ago
      @Ben
      I read the form and thought what you said. So outrageous and deliberately planned to exclude the most vulnerable who do not have the experience of filling in such forms.Ā  It is designed to put people off. So I thought for people who can't handle this.Ā  They could take one question at a time.Ā  (Don't close browser as it won't save anything.) When finished one question, go and do something else.Ā  Then come back and do another question.Ā  Ignore the ones you don't understand.Ā  Just say you don't know on those. The ones you feel you can answer, say what the pip is for, to allow people to buy their own care and supposedly take the strain off the NHS. (Ie buy sleep therapists to help a chronic condition the NHS has not got a clue how to fix anyway.)Ā  Buy therapists to treat for conditions like depression so severe can't go out of the house/half the time can't shower alone, can't cook meals, have to eat components of meals separately as don't have motivation to cook meals, (vegetables in microwave, buy pre cooked chicken et.). This would take strain off the NHS not pile more on, which is what the Tories' idea of taking away PIP and employing more therapists for people who were on PIP.Ā  why not put that money into improving all of the NHS, as Keir Starmer said to cut down waiting lists for everyone.

      For those who can't fill the form in at all, get others to help them. Ask the Citizens Advice Bureaux.Ā  There is a 12 week consultation, there is no rush to do this. Take time.Ā  That is the way to beat the system and the system needs beating.Ā  Hopefully with enough people who are outraged and have some education to enable them to do this, along with what the charities are saying (the Chief Executive of MIND is outraged and they are planning their own very strong response.)Ā  There will be enough opposition.
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    · 6 months ago
    I'm at a total loss for words. As a carer, I'm petrified at what the future now holds for me & my disabled partner. We fought so hard from barely surviving to finally having enough to get by each month. He has a number of conditions as well as his learning disability but also severe mental health problems. I just hope he doesn't read any of this because I dread to think what it will do to him. It's left me feeling depressed and so scared.
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    · 6 months ago
    I once asked the DWP if it was against the rules to do some voluntary work whilst claiming PIP, they told me no it would not, at my next assessment the ass-esser wrote that because I was able to do a few hours of voluntary work a month that I now did not meet any of the descriptors and scored zero points, they did of course write in the report the complete opposite of what I had told them which was that I had found an employer who was very sympathetic and understanding of my condition and could make allowances for it but they just left that part out.

    I did of course win my award plus a higher award during the appeal during which they tribunal judges did not even need me to speak at and apologized that this has happened yet again.

    The whole point of PIP is to provide independence, it is literally in the title, this independence provides us with a modicum of dignity whilst the DWP/ATOS/Capita continue to gaslight the hell out of all of us, I really do think my mental health problems have been exacerbated by the DWP and it's cohorts, they have done so much damage to my well-being that I do not think I will ever be able to restore trust or re-integrate back into society at all, I need to keep myself away from others just as much for my safety as theirs due to the anger and bitterness that is the result of the dysfunctional relationship with the DWP.
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      · 6 months ago
      @Citizen I can state with 100% certainty that my MH plummets at the very mention of their name (DWP) and any dealings I have with them. Even seeing it written down triggers me badly. Knowing I've anything upcoming that means I've to deal with or speak to any member of their regime makes not only my MH but physical conditions worse.
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    · 6 months ago
    I filled it in. Their questions reveal they have no intelligence or empathy whatsoever. I also stated many will, well you know canā€™t type it here. Also that mps and society at large risk people turning on them. That it is truly evil and dangerous plus a downright attack on mentally ill and disabled that I thought bullying was against the law.
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    · 6 months ago
    This has really upset me I've epilepsy, cordia equina,sleep apnea and embarrassingly enough because of the C.E incontinence I've had mental health issues all my life and my mum and her brothers and sisters all died early of huntingtons and I was too scared to get the test.
    I've attempted suicide a few times but to be honest I'm in sheltered accommodation and if they do what they say they are going to do I'm definitely going to leave this planet. Cos I just can't take this fear anymore I've even got phobia about my own doctors.
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      · 6 months ago
      @Chris Dear Chris sorry to hear about your health conditions, please do not do anything to harm yourself sunak and his cronies arent worth it. Dont give them the satisfaction that's what they want one less to pay šŸ˜¢. You will have a good laugh come election dayšŸ˜‚
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      · 6 months ago
      @Chris I don't know what to say I feel the same always in pain but God gave us this life and we should see it through. It's like an exam sitting at the end of our chairs all the time, but Chris you are not alone my friend. Stay well and blessed šŸ™
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    · 6 months ago
    Cashless societyĀ 
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    · 6 months ago
    I have Anklosing Spondylitis, which has rapidly progressed over the last five years.Ā  A.S also has a side symptom to do with the eyes.Ā  Uveitis.Ā  It is a very serious issue..Well,Ā  today my eye has flared.Ā  I have no doubt that it is the stress of the green paper.Ā  My health is very bad.Ā  I never asked for my awful disease and I have always been grateful that I was taken care of.Ā  Ā šŸ˜Œ.Ā  I'm tired of all of this šŸ˜Ŗ.Ā  Ā 
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      · 6 months ago
      @The Dog Mother Exactly correct. Besides, i would have thought a governmenty minister deliberately misleading the press was "misfeasance in public office, but there we are. That is the idiot tories for you..
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      · 6 months ago
      @robbie Frances Ryan is the best,she gets us and understands only too well what we are in against.
      I've read many articles on our current situation from her.
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      · 6 months ago
      @The Dog Mother
      Thanks The Dog Mother, just read the article.Ā  It made me smile. I had an TTC ankle fusion in December, was supposed to go into a local rehabilitation accomodation. Never happened.Ā  Got discharged home with my leg in a cast.Ā  Came up my 51 steps to my flat on my backside with the help of two ambulance crew.Ā  Saw the emails that the hospital sent to the local social services, the recipients claimed that they never even knew or heard of me.Ā  Been living here for over 20 years. All got lost in translation.Ā  Then I asked local Social Services for some equipment, bathboard etc.Ā  "The computer says no" - long waiting list.Ā  My GP practice called out the "A" team, (Rapid Access Service) who came twice.Ā  It was a senior O.T. and her assistant who showed me how to get up and down my stairs safely. (In case of fire I presume) I had an appointment in January to return to the hospital for the cast to be removed and the stitches out. Then air cast boot.Ā  Am still in that and it's been 5 months since my operation.

      I have only now got my first physiotherapy appoinment on 3rd May.
      So how we are going to get all this extra help from local social service only the devil knows.

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      · 6 months ago
      @The Dog Mother Thank you for the link. It was good to read something that's on our side for a change .
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      · 6 months ago
      @The Dog Mother It is,Ā @robbie, @The Dog Mother. Wish it could make its way into the tory tabloids.
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    · 6 months ago
    Itā€™s like they have no idea of the amount of people that hand over their entire PIP claim for their tiny care packages! Thats not going save money they just have to pay the council direct.Ā 

    The whole point of PIP is that it gives dignity and choices. Donā€™t want those bulky nasty ā€œfreeā€ in continence supplies you can buy your own. Wrist, arm; leg braces that end up looking nasty and come in same horrid colours. Choice your own fabric and look.Ā 

    Reading between the lines I can see them coming to the point where if you have a carer then you donā€™t Ā need PIP. If you have full time support you are not paying a paid worker to do it for you.Ā 

    Itā€™s how a lot of councils work out how much money you can keep now. They decide what a reasonable expense is and what is included as an aid. Mine donā€™t consider having a phone line that exclusive for text phone as a legit expense so thatā€™s Ā£18 month out your food budget. Ā Not every phone number accepts text relay some you need an actual text phone to use.Ā 

    They decide how much extra water or heat or electric you are using and nothing more. How much money would we be paying to fund a service where we send each and every expense? Hey my hair cut would been Ā£30 but that shop has 2 steps so the posh one chargers Ā£80 was my only option. Can see that going down well. Ā 
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    · 6 months ago
    Tried filling it in twice,I'm so afraid I won't do us justice. I need to think on this one and get my sister in law to help.. I'm too fatigued today, though. Had a very rough few weeks-months. But once I get going, I won't hold back. The entire scenario is ludicrous. It's offensive and obscene to sufferers of all medical conditions. They are reducing us down to little tick boxes again, aren't they!Ā 

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