Debbie Abrahams, chair of the Commons Work and Pensions Committee, has said that the idea of replacing personal independence payment (PIP) with vouchers is “nonsense” and will not happen.

In an interview with the Mirror at the end of December, Abrahams said that Stephen Timms, disability minister at the DWP, had already ruled out a voucher scheme.  However, whilst he might have given such assurances in private to Abrahams, there is no record of him having done so publicly.

Abrahams went on to tell the Mirror that “"I think it's nonsense and I cannot see that happen. It is suggesting that it's ok for disabled people to be provided with a voucher instead of money - as though they aren't responsible with their money."

When asked if the idea of vouchers was insulting to disabled people, Abrahams responded "Absolutely. This is how confident I am that it won't happen."

Details of what plans Labour has for the future of disability benefits will not be revealed until a Green Paper is published in the Spring.

You can read the full interview in the Mirror

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    · 12 hours ago
    Maybe they'd like to have their expense accounts cut, heating allowance which truly beggars belief, and anything else their over subsidised with. Not least, their basic salaries. Wonder what they'd get paid if it was based on performance, results for the people rather than, the 1% club. 
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    · 17 hours ago
    The rise in the cost of interest on government debt has led Reeves to say that she is considering even deeper cuts to public spending this spring. Let's face it this government of red tories likes to play the divide and rule card so don't be surprised if it implements even deeper cuts in disability benefits than the £billion already mentioned by Reeves.
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    · 17 hours ago
    People voted Labour in hope it would be better than the last. I’m not being clever in anyway, but I would never vote for Starmer.
    I understand the threat of vouchers which was not just discrimination but wicked as you almost feel once again worthless as a disabled person, so Labour seemed the better choice, but they lied. 
    I do not trust this British hating government and like you all, do not need to feel at constant threat, just because someone hasn’t a clue how it feels to be in constant pain stress anxiety and many other ways a disability can affect your life. 
    I’ve worked with my disability until I couldn’t and it was not a choice giving up on a job I loved. I don’t know what this awful government will do, but my heath has drastically deteriorated and I can honestly say it’s frustrating frightening to feel your body is letting you down. I really like you all do not need anymore stress. 
    Love to you all. 
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    · 2 days ago
    my last review ,which i was told would last 40 minutes actually lasted 15 minutes and at least 8 or 9 minutes of that were taken up by the callers dog  who got out during call I was hardly given the opportunity to speak at all and was told well nothings changed then before I was hung up on and believe me I had plenty to say !
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    · 2 days ago
    You've just stated that the DWP has no immediate plans that affect disabled claimants - and, in your conclusion, suggested that changes to disability benefits is still extremely uncertain.  So, now you've left the fear of change to simmer & disabled people to fear the worst.

    That's not fair.
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      · 2 days ago
      @MelzT None of it is fair! Don't shoot the messenger!! Disabled claimants have always been and will always be at the mercy of the powers that be, as is the case for EVERYONE in the country. If the government of the day has enough political support in parliament, they could enact ANY laws they can come up with... the media fuels the fire with its biased suggestions designed to stir up their readers; their reporting is often based on deliberately misleading "facts" or just plain misinformation.  "We have no plans to do X" actually means "we have no plan AT THE MOMENT". but doesn't mean that they won't come up with a plan tomorrow, or the next day. There is NO certainty about anything, as new governments can change or cancel anything that the previous government did, or indeed what they did themselves last year. Most people agree that, in the best of all possible worlds, no-one would go hungry or be homeless or discriminated against, but we live in THIS world. All we can do is keep pleading our case and making sure that lies and disinformation are called out. Or you can spend your life with your head in the sand dreaming of fairness and justice  for all. Being positive isn't enough.  
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    · 2 days ago
    since labour has got in as government it seems they are on a witch hunt agaist vulnerable people oaps disabled people  taking as much money as possible away from them making them even more vulneable i suffer with a mental illness because i was sexualy abused by a member of family for 12 years i get depressed anxiety stressed confused sucidle tendencies since this government has been in i have gone through all of these because of them is that why tey are  doing this im 73 years old are they trying to make me give up permanently
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      · 12 hours ago
      @james neat Because their incapable of fixing the real problems. Far easier to pick on us.
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      · 2 days ago
      @james neat
      You've fought through far worse than this shower of fools in Govt my friend. The world is a better place with you in it.

      At least with the Tories we knew what we were getting. This lot would slip the knife between your ribs while smiling at you and claiming they're the party of the people. Never voting Labour again.


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    · 2 days ago
    What private taxi driver, chiropodist or gardener would accept vouchers anyway? I’m sure they wouldn’t want the paperwork or bureaucracy to claim it all back.
    Ridiculous idea when you think about it!
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    · 2 days ago
    Wouldn’t trust them as far as I could throw a grand piano. Just have to look at what they have done with the OAP winter fuel allowance and with the refusal to act on the Ombudsman’s advice regarding the WASPI women after so many happily supported their cause leading up to the election. 
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      · 2 days ago
      @Nenny Oh that's tickled me. I love the thought of throwing a grand piano. Maybe it could become part of one of those tv shows, imagine.
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    · 3 days ago
    "‘Nothing off the table’ as benefits face deeper cuts, No10 admits" - the i newspaper
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    · 4 days ago
    Cutting disability benefits or tightening eligibility will lead to a lot of extra health costs in mental health particularly.

    So many disabled and mental health individuals committed suicide, had crises needing more health resources, died of starvation, etc from being found fit to work through WCA.

    For mental health, there is a clause for 'danger to others/themselves' that many put into the support group.

    They want to remove it, very dangerous. No matter how many platitudes about extra help, support, treatment, etc. If someone cannot engage with others, has phases of psychosis/paranoia/aggression when agitated, or suicidal/self-harm when under stress; how many employers could cope with that either?

    Also, recent rises in claims are that people are becoming more aware of it - I was entitled to DLA for decades before I knew about it. Plus it was more recent that mental health was accepted equal to physical health.

    The seedy ads about 'if you have xx you can get £xxx free money'  - leads to huge increases in claims. However, it's not just the diagnosis, it's the effect day-to-day.

    One thing that is interesting about changes is that many use more than the amount given for health costs - ie carers, cleaners, extra heating/water/washing/clothes, etc - I doubt social care can take on those costs instead, they have no budget.
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    · 5 days ago
    What Debbie Abrahams says and what is actually done are two different things.  To be honest take her remarks with a pinch of salt as Labour have not publicly denied it 
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    · 5 days ago
    Everything is going up everywhere, then they now talk about cutting our benefit money. I am not well enough to work. This isn’t good for my mental and physical health.
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    · 6 days ago
    Will they reduce the PIP I am already getting. I have a ten year review due about 2027/28.
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    · 7 days ago
    I can't see vouchers being workable. What would they be for? Everyone's needs differ. The administration would be unmanageable.
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    · 8 days ago
    If they put disabled people onto vouchers that is stigmatising disability. Also, would they then issue vouchers for all other benefits? No? Then it would also be discriminatory too. The legal appeals on this would tie them up for ages and cost too much to defend. I personally don’t think vouchers will come in. But I do think they will look at other ways to ‘punish’ the disabled, beyond their usual disrespect and hatred of us.
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      · 12 hours ago
      @Jan it would cost millions to change the system and as we know, their not hot on IT.
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      · 4 days ago
      @Matt The costs in admin of vouchers would probably cost more than they are saving.
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      · 4 days ago
      @MrFibro Bingo. And ask yourself why certain prominent "anon" twitter accounts have been nonstop posting misinformation about PIP since Boxing Day.
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      · 4 days ago
      @Jan Stigmatizing disabled people, by way of introducing a voucher PIP scheme. Is a way in, which the goverment feels that they would save money.  Hence cutting down on the welfare bill.  Their hope is that claimants would feel to embarrassed, ashamed to buy goods with vouchers in their hands @ a checkout.

      And claimants in a queue, would be harassed, and scorned by non claimants, subsequently causing more harm than good to claimants.

      Maybe the elite should also get their wages in vouchers.  Afterall it's the taxpayers monies paying them, not themselfs.

      Just another abhorrent scheme to hit people repeatedly when they are already knocked onto the ground.


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      · 7 days ago
      @Jan But I'll play Devil's Advocate: if vouchers were to be introduced for PIP, and the Government considered it a success, ie saving money, then why it would not introduce this to other benefits, notably UC?  DWP already have powers to look into your bank accounts etc. Rather like Scotland in the 1980's where the Poll Tax was first introduced, the disabled may be 'the testing ground' for a voucher, or receipt based benefits system.  It would be very unpopular and the take up may decline markedly, so in the Government's eyes, a win-win.
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    · 9 days ago
    @Rik, Rachel Reeves herself once agreed with you, judging by this October 2013 article from The Guardian, but what struck me was this: "Where there are pernicious policies like the bedroom tax, we will repeal them." Oops.

    https://www.google.co.uk/url?q=https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/oct/12/labour-benefits-tories-labour-rachel-reeves-welfare&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwip4N7V2-WKAxXma0EAHUz7PMEQFnoECAMQAg&usg=AOvVaw2v38MApq1-K_2U0IEsk74u
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      · 4 days ago
      @Matt That or a new Chancellor! Either way I cannot share the heavily optimistic views of many commenters; we will see welfare cuts the late Frank Field could only dream of.
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      · 8 days ago
      @Rik I wonder if we will get a full-blown budget in March after all?  I don't think Reeves can raise personal taxation or VAT any higher, or extend VAT to non-VAT items. The number of permanent vacancies has declined (so all that is likely to be available is fixed term contracts, or worse, zero hours) so unemployment/UC costs may very well rise.  That Green Paper may be under review now......
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      · 9 days ago
      @robbie Taking of Reeves tonight Bloomberg have been told she is open to even more cuts, if the economy keeps going down. “Reeves Eyes Spending Cuts If UK Bond Slump Eats Up Headroom”.
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    · 9 days ago
    Have seen the New Zealand model for PIP. Pretty dire. I fear this might be coming to the UK in the next couple of years 
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      · 5 days ago
      @Darinfan Sadly that simply isn’t true. It is workable and a form of it has been in use for a long time - it’s how asylum seekers receive their money.
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      · 7 days ago
      @Matt It won't come to the UK because it isn't workable here.  NZ can manage that kind of scheme because they only have 5million people living there.  We have getting on for 70 million.  Can you imagine the DWP having to go through all those requests for vouchers or receipts?  It's not remotely workable in a country with our population.
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    · 10 days ago
    Kendal hasn't personally ruled out vouchers; nor has she ruled out payment cards - a system already in use by govt for asylum seekers. Labour a very keen on the New Zealand system, and I cannot see how PIP won't be massively impacted by this. Remember, Labour govts are always harsher towards disability benefits, than Conservative govts.
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      · 5 days ago
      @Darinfan I would add. The only possible way I could see Labour copying the Tories plan to not reassess claimants is after they reform the WCA to make it even harder to qualify for the LCWRA. For reference that's the plan to give zero points for incontinence and mobility on the WCA.
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      · 5 days ago
      @Darinfan I don't think it is likely at all. More regular assessments for PIP have already been muted; and with Labour's economic plans so far tanking the economy, to the point Reeves is talking about even more cuts, I can't see ESA/UC escaping the same treatment. 
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      · 7 days ago
      @Rik Labour have not given any details on their plans, so I have no idea how you know what they will and won't do.  It's likely they will stop reassessments of the higher groups because they are a waste of money.- all that time and money spent when a very small percentage actually have their benefits downgraded.  It's not financially viable at a time when they are looking to save money.
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      · 9 days ago
      @reg b I have not made up anything. Just one example, the Conservatives plans for UC, were to reform the WCA but leave current UC claimants alone - no more reassessments. Labour won't be doing that. Labour have an ideological view towards disability benefits and it's harsher than the Conservatives - have you even listened any of Kendal's interviews?! They are going to change PIP for the worse. And the Blair 'think the unthinkable' years weren't the cakewalk you are implying. And the fact Blair's mate Alan Milburn is back, should have you worried.
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      · 10 days ago
      @Rik oh rik, thanks for the laugh. also wise to remember that people can make up and post literally anything online.

      I can indeed remember my last assessment under the previous labour administration, it wasn't fun but I was given the correct award without issue.

      unlike my assessment under the tories, given zero points and went to tribunal. all of which was known well in advance because they have been doing this to countless others before me.

      tribunal of course overturned that decision, like it did in 70% of cases... 
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    · 10 days ago
    My post got edited as I sent it - this is the full version:

    Thank you for informing us about Debbie Abrahams’ recent comments.

    I had forgotten that she was the Shadow Secretary of State for Work and Pensions, and now, voted in by fellow committee members from all parties, as Chair of the Work and Pensions Select Committee, it’s clear she is held in high regard across the political spectrum.
    She has consistently campaigned for fairness and dignity in the benefits system, and it’s reassuring to know she remains a strong advocate for disabled people.
    It’s good to hear about her discussions with Stephen Timms, the current disability minister, who has also been a decent voice for disabled people.

    I really, obviously, like many people, hope that this is a positive sign and that her dismissal of the PIP vouchers idea reflects a genuine commitment to fairness.

    But as someone facing an assessment soon, it’s hard not to feel apprehensive. Even when plans seem encouraging on the surface, there’s always the lingering fear of unexpected changes or harsher policies being introduced. The constant uncertainty makes it so difficult to feel secure or focus on managing complex health conditions.

    🤞 This may be helpful news.

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    · 10 days ago

    I really, obviously, like many people, hope that this is a positive sign and that her dismissal of the PIP vouchers idea reflects a genuine commitment to fairness.

    But as someone facing an assessment soon, it’s hard not to feel apprehensive. Even when plans seem encouraging on the surface, there’s always the lingering fear of unexpected changes or harsher policies being introduced. The constant uncertainty makes it so difficult to feel secure or focus on managing complex health conditions. 

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