The DWP have published the results of a survey on the public’s attitudes to a worrying list of new powers it is considering acquiring, allegedly in order to combat fraud, error and debt in the benefits system.

The proposed new powers include:

  • Trained DWP investigators having arrest powers
  • Trained DWP investigators having search and seizure powers
  • Collecting information about where claimants are spending money
  • Collecting banking information as soon as fraud is suspected, rather than waiting for a criminal investigation
  • Asking banks to share information about accounts which look like someone may be committing fraud
  • Government organisations sharing data with DWP about claimants

The DWP research claims to show that a majority of the public were in favour of every one of these measures being introduced.

Even amongst a group of claimants, the DWP claim, more people considered the powers acceptable than found them unacceptable, with the exception of collecting information about where claimants are spending money. 

Given the levels of incompetence, data loss and unaccountability at the DWP, the possibility that staff could arrest claimants and seize their possessions is likely to alarm many readers.

Equally, the idea that the DWP could begin examining bank accounts and looking at how a claimant is spending their money merely because the they suspect fraud is a cause for real concern.

With the department increasingly relying on AI and algorithms they don’t fully understand to detect fraud, the possibility of claimants being wrongfully arrested and facing long and poorly resourced investigations seems real.

No legislation has yet been put forward by the DWP and many will hope that a general election intervenes and that these proposals never become anything more than the wish list of a failing department.

You can read the full details of the DWP consultation on possible new powers here.

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    · 1 years ago
    Well, I’d like to thank those that took the DWP’s survey and gleefully declared that they love the idea of most of us to be spied on every time we we should buy a bottle of milk at the corner shop. And what’s exciting is any of us could be arrested for… anything really. DWP can make it up as they go along. The police force do nowadays. This is assuming that the respondents are truly representative of the public. I’m not so sure about that. Groups of like minded people can certainly organised and dominate public consultations. 
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    · 1 years ago
    That's sickening. There is no way in hell that the people asked said they were happy with the DWP having the power to seize and check our banks! 
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      · 1 years ago
      @TxMxT I don't know about that....we've got a conservative government and somebody voted them in just as somebody voted us out of the EU....
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    · 1 years ago
    Another draconian assault on our civil rights by this absolute shower of entitled, self-serving autocrats.
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    · 1 years ago
    So the autumn statement is likely to confirm that monthly bank account checks will happen to those on benefits. I am very worried about this as friends/family sometimes gift me money to buy something I need as I am disabled. What does everyone think? Is this likely to happen, will it happen quickly, is it legal?
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      · 1 years ago
      @JustinUK73 The intention is to get banks to do the monitoring and notify DWP on a monthly basis of sny ‘suspicious’ spending 
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      · 1 years ago
      @JustinUK73 And what will banks do they do t have staff now so how will they deal with this absurd scheme 
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      · 1 years ago
      @Janeyruss As far as I know, there's nothing wrong in your family giving you money to buy something you need, - perhaps the B&W team will clarify this. In fact the system relies on family and friends supporting us like this, as benefits are not enough to cover anything but the most basic necessities. 
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      · 1 years ago
      @JustinUK73 Justinuk73,

      With AI it'll be a doddle, that's so long they get AI right.  Or they will get AI wrong purposely.  Watch the Tribunal appeal cases sky rocket.
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      · 1 years ago
      @JustinUK73  I should imagine that they'll use AI, as if we don't have to tolerate enough!
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    · 1 years ago
    Love to know exactly what members of the public were asked about this ''idea'', shame they cant apply the same vigour and resources into the missing millions with the ppe contracts etc. Funny that. Their waste further millions trying to administer this game.imo.
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      · 11 months ago
      @Anne You can not pay the majority of bills with food vouchers and do you get change with food vouchers?
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      · 1 years ago
      @Anne Leading questions to a small section of the population.  Did they ask anyone who is or was claiming benefits BECAUSE they need help. We are now OAPs but I'll never forget the stress attending the interview, half hour drive then faced with what for me a long walk then a flight of stairs.  Presumably that proved how fit I was. My lovely gp wrote a letter telling them I was unemployable, which I was, age 48! I won then but probably wouldn't now.  At 71 I still have arthritis and endocrine problems, they are for life! Just have a pension so no interviews any more I hope.
      Husband bedbound has CHC fight, (continuing healthcare), needs a specialist wheelchair, having to save up, we were told to ask charities! CHC are supposed to cover all medical and social needs if you meet certain criteria, then NHS pays. Sorry a bit off topic, may help someone I hope.

      The old means test mid 1900s meant if there were 2 of you owning 3 chairs the third one had to be sold and the money used for your keep.  Are we now heading to that. Please vote to get rid of this govenment 
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      · 1 years ago
      @Fred Fred,

      They never asked me neither did they ask 99.9% of the British public.  Someones telling porkies here, yeah you got it right the DWP.
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      · 1 years ago
      @Chocolady That's the thing about such small % of the population being asked. We don't know who they asked, where they are from or the actual questions asked. 

      Any survey can be done to get the outcome you want. 

      For me, this idea is the first step on stopping people being paid in money and moving towards vouchers. Or food stamps, like the US. 
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      · 1 years ago
      @Chocolady Exactly!
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    · 1 years ago
    What does it mean how you spend money? If you work p/t but are still on UC +HB due to being in TA what would be frowned upon? Coffee shops? Amazon shopping? Lending money to friends/siblings?
    My friend  just received a request for 2 months  bank statements for HB. I would have thought they would look at whether your income matches  what you have declared and not how you spend the money.
    Also she received this request after complaining on X about LA not addressing serious disrepair. Can't  help but believe this is a petty attempt to get back at her. Before that they requested proof of settled status randomly. She is a French national. Now British. She sent her proof of passport.  Two weeks later they "randomly" selected her account for HB review.  
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      · 1 years ago
      @Jaya HB is different it used to be based on last 3 months pay. Even if when I claimed I was suddenly off sick and previous 2m I could afford my rent no bother. They still insisted my average pay was 2 months full pay 1 month sick. So takes 3 months on sick to get correct amount. It’s bank statements not pay slips as if you have more than one job you can show them one. It is a standard thing honestly. 
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    · 1 years ago
    I know dwp can look at bank accounts already, but this had to be done via a court ruling by a judge after they have explained why they feel its necessary. But this is just getting ludicrous.
    Now I've read that they want people to phone in and tell on anybody they suspect of committing fraud. I know they've always been able to, but the agenda is being pushed tenfold. Apparently, the phone line is costing huge amounts of money to keep it running ,with very little return. What next? Cash incentives to 'shop' your neighbour.! And a lot of the time it comes to nothing as the 'claiment' was innocent. But 'tough luck' they got put through the wringer for absolutely nothing other than a jealous neighbours say so. Is this panic stations because this government knows its on its knees? If so ,are we not voters too? Who exactly are they bringing on board here? For every disabled person, there are family members, daughters,sons, and mothers, fathers, etc.
    Just wonder how many people that amounts to who will never vote for them again. I'm beyond sick of it all. No wonder we can't get our heads above water with the worry of it all.
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      · 11 months ago
      @CaroA I can assure you Labor would be no better
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      · 1 years ago
      @The Dog Mother My thoughts exactly thank you for expressing this so well.  Yes how many people around us will never vote Tory again!  
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    · 1 years ago
    They now use "fraud protection " everywhere to do whatever they want BREACHING human rights and privacy ... they found one suitable word for them to justify their UNLAWFULNESS
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      · 1 years ago
      @MrFibro No. You can spend it however you like. It's only fraud if you misrepresent your circumstances or work under the table etc.
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      · 1 years ago
      @Jon Anyone who works doing what you do is rotten to the core and the sooner this s**t show gets taken down the better.
      I have a number of employees who work for me and if any of them got so ill they needed pip or such then it should be given and they should not be forced to hand over personal details to a jobs worth like you.People like you will soon i'm sure get a wake up call as the world is about to change.....
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      · 1 years ago
      @RG RG, 

      What about if someone was buying CD's, DVD's Video games or things like that, would that be fraud ????



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      · 1 years ago
      @Jon Thank you I'm glad you took the trouble to write this and to say the concerns you have about these new draconian measures.  It's good that there are good people in the system too.
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      · 1 years ago
      @Jon You don't know what you're talking about. The threshold for reportable transactions is £10k, but that only applies to cash deposits. Banks are obliged to report other transactions if they are deemed suspicious, although they tend to be on the safe side. Banks do not report to DWP if a claimant is above the savings threshold; they only report interest earned to HMRC since they are obliged by law to do so. This is how the DWP know people are over the savings limit, however if you don't have an interest bearing account they won't know. They also don't know if you go abroad as Home Office exit checks are not data matched and are only available if there's existing suspicion of fraud.       Please stop misleading people.      
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    · 1 years ago
    If I buy the Nike air max trainers solely for comfort as I have Ankylosing Spondylitis and fibromyalgia is my money going to be stopped. What if I go to pay for weekly massage which I have been told to by my rheumatologist will this also be considered a luxury? I won't be able to sleep with worry and stress.
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      · 1 years ago
      @Jon You are most definitely not a 'Fraud Officer'.

      You can't even spell correctly.

      Although, saying that, on second thoughts...
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      · 1 years ago
      @M Totally understand it's really frightening the powers they are taking on and the privacy they are invading.
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      · 1 years ago
      @Jon Too far..... 
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      · 1 years ago
      @Jon Not good that means I need to stop all my Treatments Massage/physio/chiropractor etc if it's going to be investigated. That is what they pip money is for as well. Now I will spend it on something else. Is that what they want? Probably want me to get no money and cancel my pip claim. That's what they want.
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      · 1 years ago
      @M As long as its not an escort agency you will be ok. I think they should be more concerned about regular large amounts being paid into accounts which could signify money laundering.Obviously any of us currently on UC or JSA won't be regularly paying in £1000 a month onto of any DWP payments received.I understand it being done from that perspective but the cynic in me says their being very nosey. We have a lot of criminals walking around the UK and it's a shame that they see fit to pick upon the weakest in society first,why, because its all too easy.imo.
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    · 1 years ago
    Next they'll be denying us medical and dental care. Like they are not hard enough to come by. 
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    · 1 years ago
    I consider my personal finances to be private and I should choose who to share them with and no one else should have that power
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      · 1 years ago
      @The Dog mother the dog mother,

      These snidey MP's, will always find a job and earn tonnes of money on the backs of disabled sick people.  AI will have been pre- programmed not to touch their corrupt jobs.
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      · 1 years ago
      @gail steinson gail steinson,

      I agree, but if you don't share your bank detail, they wont share you benefits. So basically they hold the cards.  And there's no one out there fighting our corner, like the ECHR,  and such alike lawyers, barristers etc.  This is why they get away with it.
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      · 1 years ago
      @The Dog mother I'm with you, I'm pretty much housebound and I rely on online shopping most of the time and for just about everything.  As for AI, it may well put a lot of people out of jobs in the future, let alone those working for the DWP.  However, it's the heartless ministers and members of Parliament who come up with the rules and they won't ever face the consequences of their actions.

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      · 1 years ago
      @M Listen. It's not passed in law yet. It may or may not ever be. I don't think it would be implemented overnight. The government is clutching at every last straw it can get. There are any disability charities up in arms over this,and their voice will be heard.
      We are fully entitled to buy stuff online. What of us who can't leave our homes? What choice would we have.we have to use the Internet to buy stuff to keep us alive, be it medical supplies,food, warm clothes,bedding, etc etc etc. You can't spend it, nor can you save it over a certain amount. Now what is that!!! Just don't panic yet, I do enough of that for us all. Sure when IA takes over they'll all be out if a job and no doubt claiming sickness benefits. A taste of their own medicine. Take care. 
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      · 1 years ago
      @gail steinson Looks like they can only be private if you claim no benefits at all. This is awful. It's really bad. I was awake all night last night because of this. Not sure what I can buy and what I can't. There is no list written down so I just don't know. I will need to speak to my counselor very soon. I have upper my medication and I am becoming severely ill because I am worried about this.
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    · 1 years ago
    This is an outrage what this government is prepared to stoop too, the sooner this government is out of power the better, I do understand that fraud concerning benefits needs to be look at but not like this, to me this is an invasion of privacy gone to far this time. If it's a case of tracking down drugs money laundering and other bad things like that then yep okay I'm in full agreement of it but do think there are better ways to do things.
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      · 1 years ago
      @hamric46 Labour favours the same as tories and want [powers to check accounts etc
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    · 1 years ago
    The DWP has no RIGHTS to access anyone banking information or we can SUED the bank for data breach compensation and DWP data breach compensation
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      · 1 years ago
      @Chocolady Chocolady,

      your right! the way i look at it is this.  If a claimants income is example benefit depending, £800 per month ( just an example).  And your bank account was being credited say £100 a week, or month, which was non benefits.  Then this is probable cause for them to investigate into a claimants financial affairs.  As obviously their argument is your getting an addition earning paid into your bank account.

      Or has it come to this, due to the cost of living crisis, ie the energy giants ripping us off, and the government just coin it in and watch us suffer.  Mrs blog's down the road, with her couple of kids, has to flog on ebay some outgrown clothes in order to get say a tenner for extra food or heating for herself and her kids.

      Now is the government, and it's crew, going to rip Mrs Blog's apart all over a tenner extra going into her bank account.

      My answer is yes i think they would.
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      · 1 years ago
      @Williams They will get granted these rights by the government if we don't fight this 
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      · 1 years ago
      @Williams Yes surely this is a breach of data protection particularly if no crime has been suspected.  Are they going to throw data protection laws under the bus too.
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    · 1 years ago
    I do remember over 25 years ago when two benefit officers from the council came around to tenants flats dressed all in black like gestapo, even had shades on and banged on my front door completely uninvited to check how many people were living in the flat. Actually was not sure where they came from was too scared to ask. They also wanted proof of your entitlement to housing benefit and they wanted it immediately. I was not the only person who received a visit.  Lots of other claimants I knew in that area had visits.
    My daughter was terrified.  I was terrified.  So it would seem like we are going backwards to darker days.
    I was not hallucinating either!!!!

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      · 1 years ago
      @Paul Paul: yes I remember that too.  Had to even hide the newspaper. You were considered too wealthy if you could afford to buy one.
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      · 1 years ago
      @lesley They used to visit you every two years we used to get a letter the local council sent them round to talk about any savings you had. They would stay about 15 minutes they looked all around your front room for new Tv'S etc.

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    · 1 years ago
    When DWP gets their system in order and are competent. Then they can consider investigating. 
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    · 1 years ago
    I take it THE POLICE will have to be in attendance  to do the actual arresting?Acting ‘ULTRA VIRIES’ by any official is professional & gross misconduct.

    It’s a shame this Government don’t show the same zeal & alacrity when it comes to pursuing the fraudsters & chums of Boris Johnson who stole £37 billion during the Covid crisis?
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      · 1 years ago
      @Manic Well said
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      · 1 years ago
      @Jon You do not have powers of arrest. This is a lie. Legislation has not been passed to allow you to arrest anyone. Stop making false statements. 
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      · 1 years ago
      @Jon Bring a solicitor you say I think a solicitor  would likely cost a months benefit for most 
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      · 1 years ago
      @Martin Don’t expect any better from liebor
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      · 1 years ago
      @Jon Thats ok. People can take a good lawyer, some can still afford one. They better have some concrete evidence before launching ANY investigation. Not just, a passing, 'Oh! we thought we would'. The court cases will cost them more than what they will reclaim in fraud, going by the latest.
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    · 1 years ago
    WHAT can possibly GO RIGHT?
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    · 1 years ago
    already happening fora long time.
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      · 1 years ago
      @TT Only if they suspected fraud not just monthly checks on everyone.  Its a step too far.
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    · 1 years ago
    yes it sounds like something from north korea complete utter silly nonsence 
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    · 1 years ago
    I'm sure I've heard about this sort of authoritarian nonsense being proposed before. It certainly reads like something from the Kim Jong-un Guide to Human Rights and Individual Liberty. I wonder how the questions were phrased - [sarcasm]entirely impartially and fairly I'm sure[/sarcasm]. I also wonder if those members of the public who said they were in favour of these proposals would be quite so enthusiastic if they were the ones having their private financial affairs pried into by a government department. I rather suspect not and I'm sure that was not one of the questions the DWP asked them. 

    That said, it's not worth getting worried about this just yet. Ultimately the DWP is not an independent entity, it's a government department, which means its policy proposals are determined by the party in power. Since the party currently in power would happily advocate the slaughter of the first born and the return of slavery for a favourable headline in the Daily Mail it's no surprise to see this sort of drivel in the run-up to an election, especially as they are on course to lose that election. The fact that they look likely to lose will only increase their desperation, so I expect to see more of this until polling day. As with the WCA changes, this will probably only happen if they somehow turn it around and win. If they lose, it's likely to be scrapped and will be rendered academic.

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      · 1 years ago
      @tintack The survey conducted was biased, I know this because I’m a fraud officer ! The company that did the survey gets paid by the DWP for it, this is a way to get it into law. It’s hardly independent survey. Thank the tories.
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      · 1 years ago
      @tintack Thank for the upbeat reply... x 
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      · 1 years ago
      @tintack Here's hoping you're right tintack. 

      But the other lot are threatening to 'bulldoze the greenbelt' in their quest for floating voters, and that won't put homes for people who need them in the places where the support services, schools etc exist.

       Nor do much for food security by building over fields.

       It's just an attempt to tempt big business in the development game to support the party imho.

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