A government minister has committed themselves to ‘urgently investigating’ alleged assessment tricks used by PIP and WCA assessors after they were raised by MPs at a meeting of the work and pensions committee last week.  We’re asking if you have had a similar experience?

Chloe Smith, minister for disabled people gave the undertaking to investigate after Dr Ben Spencer gave three examples of “covert assessment” raised by claimants at public meetings he had attended.

The first involved missing water cups, Spencer explained:

“One was there was water available at the assessment centre, the water cooler did not have any cups, but one down the corridor did. It was deliberate that the water cooler was broken or cups were not available to see if a person was able to walk beyond the first water cooler to get some water.”

“Another one was that lifts were broken deliberately, seemingly to assess that people were able to use the stairs.”

The third suspected ruse was a pen drop:

 “One person described the assessor dropping a pen in front of them—I think it was a pen or something like that—to see if the person would pick it up as part of a covert assessment effectively of their mobility.”

Spencer asked the minister “Would you commit to urgently investigating this to confirm whether this is indeed an accurate reflection of practices that are going on at the assessments?”

Smith responded:  “Yes, and if I may add on the example of the lift, I am also keen that all of our facilities are properly accessible. It would be unacceptable to have a deliberately broken lift so, yes, we will look into those.”

Of course, all of these may be perfectly innocent.  It may be that the nearest water cooler ran out of cups first, that the lift really was broken and that the assessor genuinely dropped their pen.

The real proof that these were dirty tricks is if they were used in assessment reports where the claimant was supposedly caught out by them.

But anything connected with the DWP is treated with such suspicion by many claimants that innocent explanations are the least likely to be accepted.

Other issues raised by MPS included what was described as the widespread practice whereby  claimants with a “severe visual impairment have to read letters off a chart at their assessment? Do you think that is acceptable? Do you think it builds trust?”

Another complaint was the lack of specialist knowledge displayed by some assessors.  One complaint received by MPS was that:

“The assessment was completed by a nurse that had never heard of my condition. She said she Googled it 5 minutes before seeing me. You cannot understand a complex condition with a 5 min

Google.”

Have you experienced something that you thought was a dirty trick or particularly bad practice at an assessment.  Let us know in the comments below.

You can watch the full committee hearing or read the transcript here.

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    · 2 years ago
    So here’s a few that have happened to me. 

    - I have been subjected to two HCP’s in one PIP assessment. I was not asked if I was okay with this and I felt so intimidated I did not answer the questions accurately. I lost my award and had to appeal. i understand the need to train new staff but I should have been asked if I was okay with this and the other asked very personal questions such as “why have you never attempted suicide” - They knew I have issues speaking to strangers and that I was alone that day.
    - A common thing being said when I try to explain an issue is a raised hand and a “we’ll get back to that later” which of course, they don’t. 
    - not strictly relevant but I did once make the train ride to my nearest centre, only to be told that my appointment had been rescheduled and they hadn’t been able to phone me as their phones were down. Literally as she said this, her telephone rang and another member of staff answered and I listened to him re-arrange an appointment and explain that they could only change it once. The person speaking to me went very red, and said she would compensate my travel costs.
    - Aggressive questioning - on more than one occasion I have been sneered at when I answered question like “so what would happen if your carer couldn’t provide you with food” and when I’ve said “I would forget to eat” they’ve looked at me and said “I’m going to give you a chance to answer that again.” Treating me as if I’m a suspect about to be placed under arrest. 
    - Finally of course the classic, finding things in the written report that you’ve never said in your life which is why I’m very grateful for my recordings of my most recent assessments. 

    im anticipating an ESA WCA soon, I believe it to be overdue and although my condition has worsened and I have been hospitalised twice, I’m still extremely worried because it seems like it’s down to whoever you get. The “I’ll get back to that later” one, I could tell right away he had decided to score me 0 on everything, I knew it. But conversely I once had a PIP review and the healthcare PROFESSIONAL took one look at me, and said “I can see you’re in a clear state of distress so I’m just going to confirm there have been no changes in circumstances and medication and then we can get you back home okay?” Very reassuring, And when I asked what happened next he said “I’ll send this report and unless the DWP disagree you should get an extended award” he smiled and had me in and out in 5 minutes. My award was extended another 2 years. 

    I’ve never seen him even working there since so I imagine compassion isn’t something they encourage. But I am grateful to him and I wish more would follow his example. 

    I really don’t know how those who pledged themselves to the medical profession, to helping people when they most need it can wind up working here, using dodgy tricks, lying and treating you so badly.
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      · 2 years ago
      @Doctor I once took a neighbour to an assessment at the MK centre and the assessor was genuinely lovely and did not mind being recorded. But when a while later I took someone else there there was no assessor out of 5 willing to be recorded despite due notice being given. So Iikewise concluded the genuine ones tend not to last in the job. Wonder why?
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    · 2 years ago
    I was told my assedsor was allergic to cats. She told me to pick my cat up and put her outside. I explained i couldnt do that and my cat uses the window to go in and out. She has no allergic reaction in my home at all and i knew this was only a test. When my cat did use the window she stopped asking. My cat moults very badly so if she was allergic it would have happened anyway. It didn't.  They haven't given me points fir things i clearly cant do and told them so as well. 
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    · 2 years ago
     After home visit requests accompanied with GPs letters confirming Acrophobia, epilepsy and plantar fascias , it took three months, after the benefit cut off date, for an assessor to carry out a home visit. On arrival was accompanied by a colleague who was introduced as a person to oversea the assessment procedure!. I was in attendance as a Welfare rights advocate, I was immediately informed after making an intervention 'I was not allowed to speak on behalf of the customer' when I attempted to dispute this comment, the assessor looked toward her colleague who agreed. with her premise. Realising this was going to impact on the assessment held back, then asked could this be given to me in writing, this was refused! A mobility assessment was performed with the customer wearing slippers walking a short distance across his living room carpeted floor. When the result of this sham assessment was received, on Mobility it stated 'Can plan and follow a journey unaided' 'Can stand and then move around more than 200 metres unaided'  Zero points awarded. A consideration request was submitted, suggesting the Decision Maker look up the definition of the medical condition Acrophobia, likewise the mobility test criteria doesn't constitute a short walk across a persons living room floor wearing slippers. The decision maker acknowledged this request and revised the decision, to one 'You cannot follow the route of a familiar journey without another person, etc' Award revised to 12 points and the Enhanced Rate of PIPs 
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    · 2 years ago
    Disgraceful, shameful, appalling.
    I was assessed by an ambulance driver. I was advised to send specific info about my MS which she never read .I demanded a copy of her report and it was a load of lies. She paid no attention to what I said and made her decision in advance of the meeting. She had no idea of the complexity, unpredictability and variable nature of MS nor any idea of the
    symptoms she couldn’t give a toss!
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      · 2 years ago
      @Doctor Mine was a paramedic, when asking me questions she looked up to the ceiling as I replied, stop rambling the answer is a straight yes or no. That is the problem really we try to explain ourselves clear!y when we should be just saying no to most questions.
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      · 2 years ago
      @Giova I had the same experience with an ambulance driver, I knew the moment I walked in the door he had decided to score me zero. I don’t know how they justify this awful behaviour to themselves. My condition is complex too and I fear explaining it to them, because I often have difficulty explaining it to professionals, who are shocked that someone 30 years old has the condition I do, which is not normally seen until later in life.

      These assessments are terrifying, every letter I get causes me anxiety because I just expect it to be another WCA or PIP assessment. 

      I live in pain that most of them could scarcely imagine, I shouldn’t have to fear them too. 

      All the best for you, and I hope you manage 
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    · 2 years ago
    At my last face to face assessment the assessor placed a cup of water on the desk, just out of my reach and then made an excuse to leave the room. My son picked up the water and helped me as my hands are very painful. When she returned my son pointed out he had helped. She was visibly annoyed. 
    Another time the assessor began asking me questions while waiting for someone to bring recording equipment.  My carer politely asked her to wait and she got up and walked out without a word.  Came back 10 minutes later with recording equipment.  
    My first assessment they told me if I couldn't walk downstairs they needed to cancel as if there was a fire I would be unable to get out. I had requested ground floor as I am in a wheelchair.  I simply expect these tricks now. 
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    · 2 years ago
    My assessor asked me to stand on my tip toes Lolo .polyarthritis .fibromyalgia .angina na liver fibrosis .recoverer cancer .Raynaud's .no carlige in any knees .kidney trouble ..

    I could not walk to office they changed office for me .but did not put it in report ..they broke so many rules a MP got involved ..sandy tricett..exposed the trick venue forcing disabled people to walk 400 MTRS ..sand got it closed down ..they did a illigal move taking my information from before I already won a tribunal ... They are inhuman towards disabled people ..I won a ongoing reward by the time they were exposed and a apology from manager ...
    Admiting there mistake they called it ..and the assessor was not even in the medical profession..just a normal uneducated person .

    The whole area of the DWP for disabled are corrupt .
    We need honest compassionate educated in the field of illnesses in position not hardened people 


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    · 2 years ago
    I had two "incidents" at my P.I.P. assessment.  When I first went in to register at the desk, the clerk informed me the interview room would be on the first floor and asked if I was OK with that.  It was only after I had told her NO, she informed me that there was a lift.  Secondly, at the end of the assessment, the assessor asked me with a smiling face if I was doing anything else nice for the rest of the day.  I replied that I was going back home and straight back to bed!  Make of those two incidents what you will
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    · 2 years ago
    nowadays you dont use those ancient weighing machines, the ones where you slide at the top but atos do. 

    beware the very loose foot plate, luckyly the wall stopped a fall. 
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    · 2 years ago
    My assessor gave a detailed report on my musculoskeletal examination but she never actually did one ... I lost the mobility part of my PIP 
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    · 2 years ago
    the dwp tell them to do it.
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    · 2 years ago
    Must comment on dirty tricks. This is my 1st ever comment. 
     A life long friend of mine who is a very caring occupational therapist once worked as an assessor and was shown the dirty tricks as part of her training. 
     She warned me of 1 where they ask for your ID,firstly trying to get you to stretch over the table to hand ID over, then when giving it back just dropping ID on table close to them so you have to stretch again. 
      She advised me to ask the person with me to hand it to them and to also ask them to pick it up off table and pass it to me. Basically advised to sit with handbag on knee with hands on it as they watch you bending to put on and off floor. 
     My friend is so sensitive and got sick of people that should be awarded benefits not getting them and then people who clearly shouldn’t be getting benefits but knew how to play the system being awarded benefits. She found this so upsetting and playing on her mind that she left the job. 

      Thanks for your time everyone. Hope this helps just 1 genuine claimant. 
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      · 2 years ago
      @Sandra Oh goodness. Was wary of eg the 'how did you get here' stuff for daughter but fancy that, I messed up the tricks without even realising what they were up to, by passing the out of reach water to daughter and passing passport to and from. Woohoo!
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    · 2 years ago
    Let's not forget camera in the car park and waiting room, corridors measured to length, nearest toilet having no toilet paper or not working, high coat pegs, inference from showing mobile phone, picking up plastic cup of water and using tissue from box for tears. To name but a few !
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    · 2 years ago
    Going back a few years now, i arrived at an assessment and was met by the security guard who said he had to park my car around the back, i was being watched through one way mirrored glass as he hurried me out of the vehicle.  The car park was right next to the waiting room which would of been easier for me.  They certainly don't care how much pain/stress they put you through so all ways be on your guard YOU ARE BEING WATCHED from arrival right through to your exit of the grounds.
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    · 2 years ago
    I was left waiting a hour and ten minutes after the time of my assessment my wife had to go to the reception and ask what was going on regarding my assessment  and in the waiting room was cctv the assessor turned up five minutes after my wife had asked about the delay her assessment  was so wrong she told us  that she had only just qualified as a nurse I didn't qualify for any benefits regarding her assessment I appealed against her assessment.
    I then received a phone call from the DWP  and told them that I had been left for a hour and ten minutes in the waiting at rest and to check their cctv my benefits were reinstated after the phone call but they did reduce my mobility component.
    I have just had to reply with a new application for P.I.P dreading it again.
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    · 2 years ago
    No toilets in the assessment centre. Claimants were asked to take a "ticket" from reception to give them permission to use the ones in the Job Centre next door which was quite a long walk. I can't think that this was done for any other reason than to see if the claimant could manage it. Since most claimants were having to wait for over an hour and a half quite a few of them needed to do this.  I wondered if this was legal since some of the claimants possibly needed to be near a toilet.
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    · 2 years ago
    I discovered recently that my water company will cut water rates by 50% for customers with health issues that require the use of extra water for washing, laundry etc., for example those with incontinence issues. Mine have dropped from £79 monthly to  £31. It's worth enquiring. 
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      · 2 years ago
      @Colin Our water company also has a scheme like this, but they require a letter from your GP.
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    · 2 years ago
    I have encountered the dropping the pen trick. I just looked at it on the floor. 

    The how long can you concentrate or sit. I said 10 to 15 minutes. Then the assessor said did you watch xyz film the other night it was really good. .. thus suggesting I could sit for an hour or more. 


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    · 2 years ago
    i spoke with an assessor at capita then found out that someone else wrote the report up, who ive never spoken to or seen, stating things like i can touch my forehead, something ive not been able to do for over 20 years,  she also stated i can not cook or pre pare food and my son does it, yet gave no points for food prep and cooking, nothing i said during the call was there, and she refered to my emphysema as shortness of breath, the assessment does not even look like it is about me, DWP have medical evidence from the hospital and doctors but this was clearly not looked at, yet again every 4 years it gets reviewed stopped than foes to appeal and reinstated 2-3 days before the actual appeal date. its inhumane and unethical what they do to people with a confirmed terminal illness then 4 years later do exactly the same thing, i cant cook, wash or dress myself properly as they stopped carers allowance so no carer,  yet they say they looked at all the evidence not the fact ive had (care component)pip for last 15 years and mobility last 4 years, but now my disabled arm has healed, sleep apnea has gone and my emphysema has been cured and my lungs have regrown,
     i wonder if rejected over 80% is an actual target set for them.
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    · 2 years ago
    It’s pretty obvious to anyone with any sense that to go from 0 points at the DWP assessment and then being awarded a major point increase at any appeal something is wrong with the way things are handled 
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    · 2 years ago
    i had a bag which contained only my medication.in the assessors report it stated'i was carrying a large shoulder bag with no problem. i am still looking for the heavy items in the bag! dirty or what?
    carry your medications in a small bag. these people are either so bored doing their work or just plain nasty,what happened to their oath, do no harm?

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