The DWP is moving inexcusably slowly in considering the cases of PIP claimants who may be owed thousands of pounds  in back payments, its latest progress report reveals.  Although the DWP claim the review will be completed in 2025, at the present rate, some claimants may be left waiting a total of more  than 8 years for a decision on their case.

The review of cases relates to PIP activity 9. Engaging with other people face to face.

The DWP got the law wrong in relation to two descriptors:

b. Needs prompting to be able to engage with other people. 2 points.

c. Needs social support to be able to engage with other people. 4 points.

If the support a claimant needs consisted just of prompting, then the DWP argued it was only worth 2 points, regardless of who gave it.

However, in a case known as MM, the Supreme Court decided that where the prompting needs to be given by someone ‘trained or experienced in assisting people to engage in social situations’, then it may count as social support and score 4 points.

The DWP also believed that social support has to be given during the social activity or immediately before it.

But, in the same case, the Supreme Court held that social support does not have to take place during or immediately before a social engagement, it could take place weeks before or even after the event.

This means that many people who got zero points for this activity will now be eligible for four points.

The review of cases relates to decisions from 6 April 2016, when the case was decided, to 16 September 2020 when the DWP began following the correct rules.

The DWP say that they have identified 326,000 review cases relating to the 9(b) group.  These are primarily cases where the claimant scored 2 points for prompting when they may have been entitled to 4 points for social support.

However, the DWP admit that they are unable to identify claimants affected by the timing of support issue, who may have received support well in advance of a social engagement but scored no points because the DWP got the law wrong.  These claimants will need to contact the DWP themselves if they wish to be considered.

Reviews of cases started in September 2021.  The DWP say they have prioritised reviews for terminally ill and recently deceased claimants.

In the following two years, they have dealt with just 79,000 cases with almost a quarter of a million left to examine.

At present rates it will take the DWP over six years to complete its review of the outstanding 247,000 cases, although the department claims it will be completed in just another two years.

But there may also be thousands of cases that relate to timing or that the DWP have simply failed to identify.

More than one in five claimants who have been reviewed have received a back payment.

So far, around 14,000 payments have been made to claimants, totalling £74 million..

Overall, the average payment is around £5,285 per claimant.

We have covered this issue extensively in the past. 

Benefits and Work members can download the following resources from the PIP guides page.

Engaging with other people review guide
A six page guide to who may be affected by the review and what to do if you think you are.

Sample letters
Sample letters for people who think they may be affected by the DWP's error in assessing people who have difficulties engaging with other people.

Video explainer
A 7 minute video explaining who may be affected by the review and what to do if you think you are.

Video transcript
A transcript of the video.

DWP Memo
A 5 page memo issued by the DWP on the subject of the changes to the law.

You can read the DWP’s progress report on the administrative exercise for MM.

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    · 11 months ago
    Where is the sample letter please 
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    · 11 months ago
    I have just been transferred to the Scottish system-where does that leave me?
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      · 8 months ago
      @Les I am the same, so don't know if I will get this. They didn't even pay me the Christmas bonus when they were meant to.
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    · 11 months ago
    I don't really understand this if I'm honest but back in 2020 I was awarded lower amounts for both elements,  I remember filling in this section and explaining that I have to have someone go with me on journeys etc as I panic and get confused ,my mobility is bad and on top I am on morphine which makes me sleepy and forgetful etc, these weren't my exact words but this was the gist of it among other things,  they dismissed it completely and I was also on antidepressants at the time,  saying I didn't need help. I remember thinking, how do you know!! My condition is much worse now but its put me off re applying. Do you think I would be considered now for back dating? TIA.
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      · 11 months ago
      @Kay Hi my name is Raymond muir I say reapply I was on full dla both components for more than 10yrs until they did the clipping of claims I scored no points went to tribunal and they hid my supporting evidence under the atos examiner's to blame they said I asked him to tick don't want them to see my supporting medical evidence from dla claim. Why would I do this when I was bad enough for a home visit. First judge saw this and was not happy but they made sure that another judge was there next time got middle care appealled again got high mobility and middle care so just be careful have someone else to help as you can now good luck 🤞 
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      · 11 months ago
      @Giovanni Nasillo Thanks,  nothing to lose I guess
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      · 11 months ago
      @Kay Go for it! I believe that you are
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    · 1 years ago
    I just had a phone call a few days ago had just under 5k I was in shock 
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    · 1 years ago
    just been awarded under 8k back due to this today it was money we should have been getting all those years but its welcome that's being fixed
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      · 11 months ago
      @scot Hi Scott did you get a letter first as I've getting one and how long did you wait before they contacted you 
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      · 1 years ago
      @scot Thank you Scot that's really helpful to know. I sent them a letter about 2 weeks ago now asking them to look into it for me, as their media release suggested that if people thought they were eligible they should get in touch, but I haven't heard anything. I guess just like all things DWP, I shall just have to wait.

      Glad it was a relatively painless experience for you and the person you spoke to was helpful, that definitely helps ☺️
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      · 1 years ago
      @Midnight they contacted me the lady i dealt with was phenomenal she was very clear that each case is being reviewed, not everyone will have been entitled and its being decided by caseworkers maybe explains the length of time. Even though I was due it then I'm grateful to be getting it now! My interaction with them on the phone was purely a formality about making sure banking details were correct they had already decided on review that I should have got it then. They will seek those who should of got it at the time out is the impression she gave. if they have given themselves to 2025 then its probably a waiting game for them to work through them.
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      · 1 years ago
      @scot Scot, well done that's wonderful news. Do you mind if I ask, did you get in contact with them to start the process, or did they just get in contact with you ? Thank you 
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      · 1 years ago
      @scot Did you get a letter or a phone call? 
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    · 1 years ago
    I called regarding this the first person I spoken to didn't have a clue what I was onabout so transferred me to someone else and they did told me Mt claim was flagged to be looked at but while I'm still in the process over renewal they carnt do much and just sit tight till I have a decision 
    My question is I was awarded 11 point and it was 2 points on the question that I should of been given 4 so hopefully they will see this and put down hrc but doesn't this question rope into the mobility side ? I'm not 100% has enybody found this out 
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    · 1 years ago
    I have approached DWP re this ( 2 weeks ago) and was politely told they had no idea what I was talking about..
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      · 11 months ago
      @Jules Oh yes, I definitely send it recorded delivery, that way they can't "pretend" they didn't get it ! It so sad we have to do that, but needs must ! 
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      · 11 months ago
      @Midnight I always send any letters recorded delivery to ensure they reach DWP and they can’t say they’ve not got it 
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      · 1 years ago
      @Barb I was going to call them but for this very reason I decided to write to them instead to ask them to investigate. Hopefully a bit of a higher chance of it falling into the hands of someone with the remotest of clues what they are doing if it's in letter form ! 
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    · 1 years ago
    How do I check whether I’m on the right rate or if I am owed a back dated payment? 
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      · 1 years ago
      @Trish Trish,

      You don't, they simply just tell you.  They have looked at your form etc and decided they owe you nowt.
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    · 1 years ago
    I do not have a copy of my pip renewal form for that year, but my award letter shows I was awarded 2 points within the correct time frame. Overall I scored 11 point, so if dwp were to reconsider activity 9 for me I would be shifted into enhanced. Should I call dwp for a copy of my form before writing in for a reconsideration please?
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    · 1 years ago
    for years now they have always scored me 0 points for section 9 b and c even though for years i saw a councilor for support stimulation i now rely on my partner to help me socially do i qualify under this new ruling is it even worth trying any help would be grateful 
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    · 1 years ago
    I qualify for this to the letter but because my decision was made by a tribunal it somehow disqualifies me, yet I know some one with exact same circumstance and they got the back payment.
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      · 4 months ago
      @Carly I've been on pip since last year in March been awarded low mobility but only scored 8 in daily, and 2 points on that question ,dose this apply to me or is it only for people between 2016 and 2019 many thanks 
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      · 11 months ago
      @The Dog Mother How ?
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      · 11 months ago
      @andy Hi  my  claim  has just  come back  from  the upper tribural london.  It's  dosnt say I won  but I dosnt say I lost  just that it will go to  listing.  What is listing.  Apparently   I  will receive a phone call.?  Does that mean that I'll won  and they  will make  a  offer  or  a  another court to go over  some info  appreciate   alison
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      · 1 years ago
      @andy Same,you get treated very differently if you won at tribunal. 
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      · 1 years ago
      @andy Why does it disqualifie you
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    · 1 years ago
    This happened to me a few years ago. I have 4 degenerative illnesses but was suddenly pronounced as fit and healthy by the DWP and all benefits taken away. After 6 months of arguing my case my MP stepped on and sorted it out for me. I got my benefits reinstated, plus back pay and an apology 
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    · 1 years ago
    My father was awarded higher rate for life in 1999, but this has now been taken away. Can they do this? 
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      · 8 months ago
      @Chrissy The same thing happened to me they gave me high rate daily living for life  only needed 2 points and they lied and that was a tribunal hearing can hardly walk need 2 knee replacements both my knees are deformed I was told I was making it all up I would ask age uk to help your dad 
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      · 11 months ago
      @Chrissy I’ve been awarded PIP ongoing too , why have they suddenly back tracked in their decision ? Seems to me they just don’t want to help the most vulnerable anymore 
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      · 1 years ago
      @Chrissy Hi to all..is this only for climates who went on a face to face
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      · 1 years ago
      @Chrissy Yes, the sold PIP as a way to give 'more targeted help' but of course it was all just a cost saving exercise. No doubt they think that disabled people shouldn't have a reliable income on some sort of ethical principle. Never mind that living with a disability is often a trial in itself, they still want us to feel insecure as extra punishment.
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    · 1 years ago
    I got a phone call out of the blue, telling me I would be getting a back payment of £11,000. I thought it was some sort of scam, but he only asked me to confirm my last 3 bank account digits, and said I was due the money as the face to face question had been reviewed. I actually phoned my bank to tell them and ask them to keep an eye on any attempt to withdraw money from my account, but they assured me that a scam wasn't possible without my full details which I hadn't given or been asked for.
    I still held back when the money turned up paid a few days later, and even when my PIP payment was increased. I was expecting a demand for it back!
    The relief, and sheer astonishment, when the official letter arrived was tremendous.As I'm 75, was on DLA before PIP, I haven't had a review for years, which is why I'd been so suspicious.
    I have now cleared my credit card, bought stuff for Christmas, and treated myself to some new clothes and books.
    Happy Christmas early - and I hope all of us entitled to this receive it before the holidays!
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      · 9 months ago
      @Lizfromleeds A staggering story but true of course!. Glad for you. Makes me wonder what the heck has been really being on in this country.
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      · 11 months ago
      @Lizfromleeds Hi iz did you get a letter first as I've received a letter about changes in the pip law do I have to write to them or phone them 
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      · 11 months ago
      @Lizfromleeds Well done, so what was their reasons for giving you the money they say or go into detail just so I understand, is it just because when you put down your prompting if you didn’t put prompting on every question then they would need to give you the money back x
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      · 11 months ago
      @Lizfromleeds How long did it take to get the payment my partner got the same call last Wednesday but nothing up to yet 
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      · 1 years ago
      @Lizfromleeds Been on pip since 2009 I have had no review yet and got no points for talking verbally even though I have learning disability and depression 
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    · 1 years ago
    I think I'm due a very large sum of backdated pip payments not on just mm but rj and mh yet my 'flagged'up as a claimant has been totally been decided on a negative dwp decision which is to my belief an error in law who should I contact?
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    · 1 years ago
    I had 8 points taken away from my mobility part and I've been on pip multiple years and the last form I filled in was over 3 months ago and I've still not had a decision. Despite having issues with face to face conversations are difficult for me in most situations, its been on my form since the beginning.
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    · 1 years ago
    Concerned pip 
    I had my pip taken off me and my car taken back while they reviewed if I was eligible again for nearly 4 months 
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    · 1 years ago
    I am profoundly deaf, yet my PIP activity 9 is awarded nil points?    Also if I need to travel on trains, I cannot rely on last minute tannoys on platform changes, etc.  I have NIL points in total in the mobillity discriptors.  Wondered if DWP had it wrong?

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    · 1 years ago
    I think this is me;;;will they write to me,,,?
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    · 1 years ago
    I only got 2 points for social support prompting. I have cbt and occupational therapy to engage and help from my sister who is a MH nurse. I was assessed again after the ruling and AGAIN only given 2 points! It's awful. Just called them and have been told I've been selected for the leap review but can't tell me when I'll be contacted. My current award runs out in March next year so hoping for a miracle as I definitely should of got the 4 points in that descriptor. I missed out on enhanced daily by 2 points!
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      · 11 months ago
      @Coll What did you say to them and their response behind you to know I need prompting and every aspect. I’m not sure if I put prompting down on everything on my pitbull that’s the very confusing take me weeks and weeks to fill out because I find it so stressful. I tried to Rewrite the question in order to try and trick you up they make me so anxious. I normally end up having bipolar episodes whilst this is going on to stress. 
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      · 11 months ago
      @Erin j How do I contact them to see if I’m entitled 

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