Well over 100,000 people have signed petitions objecting to legislation, currently in the House of Lords, which will allow the DWP to snoop on claimants’ bank accounts.  In addition, the UK Information Commissioner has challenged the way the law has been drafted.

Benefits and Work readers who are unhappy at the plans may wish to sign one or more of the petitions.  Especially as, the more smoothly these laws are passed, the more emboldened the DWP will be to move onto laws giving it powers of arrest, search and seizure and the right to impose massive fines without going anywhere near a court.

The petition on the Organise site headed “Prevent the DWP from scrutinising disabled people’s bank accounts” has attracted almost 80,000 signatures.

Stop the Government from spying on all of our bank accounts” on the 38 Degrees site has over 33,000 signatures.

Do not introduce regular bank account checks for benefit claimants” on the parliament website has just under 16,000 signatures so far.

John Edwards, the UK Information Commissioner at the Information Commissioner’s Office (ICO) has written to the Times suggesting that the current wording of the bill too loose.  This will not prevent it passing into law, but it may give claimants some additional protections.

Edwards wrote:

“Proposed powers to allow the government to inspect people’s bank accounts to reduce benefit fraud raise questions as to society’s appetite for potentially intrusive measures to reduce a problem that costs the country billions of pounds.

 “As is so often the case, the answer lies in proportionality. The law must be sufficiently clear to give people an adequate indication of the conditions and circumstances in which the authorities can use such measures. And there must be safeguards to protect people.

 “Key to assessing proportionality are questions such as ‘Will the proposed intervention work?’, ‘Will it produce high numbers of false positives?’ and ‘Are there more or equally effective mechanisms available that do not involve the same level of intrusion?’”

 “As the data regulator, my office continues to work with the Department for Work and Pensions on this, in particular on whether the proposal is sufficiently tightly drafted.”

The DWP snuck in the new powers as amendments to the Data Protection and Digital Information Bill.  There was no consultation, no opportunity for discussion and no chance to explore alternatives.

If they are successful in getting the current measures through with little opposition, it seems likely that the government will use the same tactics to allow the DWP to acquire the power to arrest claimants, search homes, seize property and impose huge fines without ever going to court.

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    · 9 months ago
    Every privatised government department is working for the WEF towards the implementation of the bankers beloved CBDC (Central Bank Digital Currency), which will introduce far reaching powers over our lives in the form of a Chinese Credit system. Communism on steroids with totalitarian control where the government can impose their green agenda on us. Blocking payments for things you want to buy that they do not consider green enough or do not generate enough carbon credits or you have thought or said the wrong things.
    They must not be allowed to impose these police powers through DWP because we will become like USSR under Bolshevik rule.
    There will be no freedoms only oppression, no cash freedom only bankers telling you how to spend your money. 
    The DWP have a history of being sneaky and difficult, causing untold misery for many claimants with legitimate claims.
    I contracted ME 29 or more years ago, and they have made me fight for every bit of help. Nowadays thanks to our angels at Benefits and Work life is a lot easier even if it is hard work filling in forms.
    Thank you Steve Donnison and Holiday Whitehead, and anyone else who may be involved in helping those who the government would rather ignore.

    regards
    Jane
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    · 9 months ago
    Quite frankly I can’t think of anything worse I have had a nightmare with DWP over the years forms sent in by recorded delivery neither received. Or acknowledged, lengthy waits on the phone sometimes being. Cut off just as you think you’ve got through.  The assessments for DLA being done by staff who aren’t qualified I’ve just had a medical assessment done over the phone and was only asked about one specific problem of several because apparently this is now how they do them ! I await the results should be interesting to say the least! It’s become harder and harder and now to add insult to injury they want to have more power someone in government needs to take a long hard look at this  maybe they should start looking at mps bank accounts then ! Accountability should be for all not the least vunerable in society we are always targeted hopefully I will die soon so I don’t have to deal with this humiliation anymore o never asked to be ill the stress of dealing with DWP i can honestly say has made my stress levels go through the roof however you do get one or two people that do treat you like a human being so they are.not all bad but the majority seem to dehumanise us and I personally think they get paid to fail is ! No more power it’s
    Abused enough already ! 
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    · 9 months ago
    The DWP stopped my UC claim and ignored a tribunal ruling to do a mandatory reconciliation. They wanted my bank accounts also .I am a carer with a disabled child and I have no money from UC 
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    · 9 months ago
    Makes for all forms of corrupt practices with what appears no recourse
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    · 9 months ago
    I find it funny how they keep dropping the amount you can have in savings before they say you can't claim most benefits not long ago was £16000 then £10.000 now it's £6.000 and now wanna have the power to check your accounts on people who lives can change quickly because of medical conditions and they might need money to help them I can understand it if they suspect there criminal or fraudulent activity involved but seems it's everyone which I feel is wrong 
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      · 9 months ago
      @Mike agreed
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      · 9 months ago
      @Bob It hasn't changed - your benefit starts getting reduced at £6000 then has a sliding scale to £16000, where you get no benefits at all.  

      For me, the problem is that this hasn't changed - it should rise in line with inflation.  £6000 is nothing these days, where you could easily have to spend all of that in one month.  Car insurance, MOT bills, broken boiler, washing machine etc.  You could quite literally find all your savings gone if you had a bit of bad luck. 

      And more to the point, why should we be penalised for having savings?  If I don't spend much and save my money, why should I get less than someone who spends everything?  

      It's a horrible system designed to keep the poor poor, with no way out. 
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    · 9 months ago
    it is a violation of Article 8 if the human rights act
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      · 9 months ago
      @JOHN A After Brexit they're going to rewrite that too, so say goodbye to more of our rights. 
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    · 9 months ago
    Please sign the official UK government parliament petition as it only has 16.5k anything over 100k will be considered for debate in parliament where it will be properly scrutinised.
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    · 9 months ago
    I don’t expect them to even glance at those petitions because it’s a tyrannical power grab and they’ve made their minds up. All I can do is sign them as a form of protest. So sign them I will because sometimes, even in the face of defeat we have to stare down these organisations. 
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    · 9 months ago
    There is so much that is vile about the way this particular government treats it's citizens (we are though, 'Subjects' remember).  However, as many have said, these tabelled and spurious amendements are nothing short of vindictive, populist powers that shall appeal to those who do not quite understand: ironically, the same behaviour as the Post Office used to harrass and harm it's Postmasters.  No courts required.  No transparency.  Lies; Lies Lies.  Proportional/Reasonable are NOT terms acted upon by the DWP.  My horror, however, isn't with this government trying this 'populist, ignorant, right-wing, 'Daily Mail tactic' NO.  My absolute horror, is in its 'cross-party' support?  What is going on?  I have e-mailed the Shadow W&P Sectetary, Liz Kendal (Lab) to ask what she understands this Bill to mean and what she would hope to gain from this amendement - has she supported it?  I suggest that you ALL if genuinely concerned, do the same.  Nothing we say here will make a jot of difference.  Complaining has it's place.  However, you MUST be ACTIVE in your concern.  PLEASE MAIL LIZ KENDAL NOW.  And perhaps Gary Gibbon who is CH4's Political Correspondent.  If we do not raise this issue it will slide through.  Oh! And yes, SIGN the petition with the most clout!
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    · 9 months ago
    We the disabled are being abused left right and centre.
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    · 9 months ago
    The police can’t police streets. Laughable really
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    · 9 months ago
    Hi, After my husband's untimely death I was left with a young son to raise, I sometimes sold things that my parents had left me or things that my husband and I had bought, to help us cope, I had to apply to an organization, I won't say who, to see if I could get legal aid to prosecute, or at least frighten into stopping, an anti-social family that was,( presumably because they saw a lone woman and child as an easy target) picking on my home, myself, and worst of all, my little boy. I'm only giving you the background so you can see that it was no small, petty thing that I was worried about. They wanted to see my bank account details, I had forgotten that the month they looked at contained a payment of £160 from an auction house that had sold one of my father's books, I was refused because my income was too large, even explaining the extra payment made no difference to them. Finally, after a month or so of begging the police, they took action and the bullying stopped, (I know the police are way overstretched so I don't blame them.) But my point is that, if a claimant sells their possessions, which, after all, they should be able to, it might be taken by these people that they are carrying on a business, and innocent people might wind up being 'arrested' by people who do not have police training or experience. This could maybe push a vulnerable person over the edge. NOBODY but the police should have the power to arrest, prosecute, or fine people, as has been pointed out, look at the lives destroyed by the post office being given powers they were not capable of handling.
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    · 9 months ago
    This is pure dictatorship and oppression on those who are allready battling with illnesses. Shame on the arrogant government. If you are wealthy and well off like the majority of the MP's and the so called Lords or the high paid civil servants and managers. They get away with anything including fraud, tax fiddling, serial abuse. The list can go on and on. The UK is be owing like the Victorian age where the poor ill people used to be downtrodden by the rich. Absolute disgrace.
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    · 9 months ago
    A few years ago, when my husband retired early to look after me as I am disabled, we applied for pension credit which we did get until  he got his pension. We were hauled down the job centre interviewed by two people who said anything was we said would be taken down in evidence. They said my husband had more money than we had declared because they said he had a lot of interest from his bank account . This might have been true a few  years ago but this was before we even claimed for pension credit, they made us feel like we had committed fraud and we didn’t receive any apology when they found out this was wrong, but my husband still had to take a bank statement down to prove that we hadn’t got more money in our bank than we had reported. The days before we went down for the interview, I couldn’t sleep. I thought we had done something wrong. So definitely do not think they should have the power to look at your  bank account
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      · 9 months ago
      @Sharon Sorry you had to go through that, Sharon. You will probably get an apology if you file complaints against the specific DWP employees who did this to you. It worked in my case.
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    · 9 months ago
    This is not good.  The Police are their partly to protect us and to challenge criminality.  The DWP and Government wish to change this. This is not democracy but an invasion of privacy.  Saying the Police do not have the time to address these situations is rubbish and an excuse to change the law to get more control over people's lives.  The current situation to take action against people who fraudulently claim benefits is enough 
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      · 9 months ago
      @EM They should give the funding for this to the police.  They can then use it properly to investigate cases and hire extra staff if needed. 
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      · 9 months ago
      @EM EM I agree if I want to check things on behalf of my husband I get sorry confidentiality we can't talk to you but DWP can look at your bank account or anything else once they get the say so its an invasion of or civil rites but I have feeling that the fraudulent people will be one step ahead and people like us will suffer xx
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    · 9 months ago
    I think we would be more entitled to inspect MPs and house of lords bank accounts to see how much of tax payers money is fiddled out of the trough 
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    · 9 months ago
    For the DWP to be granted the power to look into people’s account is outrageous. What about our human rights!!!! We are being stripped of them and the government should not pass the bill. How come when any other community’s scream “human rights “ everything is about turned. Sadly not us.
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      · 9 months ago
      @Andy If we all took a defeatist attitude nothing would happen or be prevented?
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      · 9 months ago
      @Misty Moo The bill has already ready passed through the HOC and had cross party support. It is now in the House of Lords and I believe has passed the first stage there.
      I know it's worrying but it looks likely it will happen and remain in place even if we get a Labour government 
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    · 9 months ago
    Good idea that I just read... Back up your dealings with DWP with a hard copy kept at a safe address... Or with CAB, or other third party that you trust!
    My own records with DWP are in CAB databases, and so relatively secure...
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    · 9 months ago
    Signed them all. It's an absolute disgrace how poorly people are treated. The only bank accounts that should be checked are all the MP's. 
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    · 9 months ago
    Many goverment bodies have power of prosicution, some government bodies also have the sole right to issue prosicutions. 
    Take for instance the Information Commisioner. He alone has the power to issue criminal prosicutions for a breach of the Data Protection Act. Additionally, if somebody is unhappy with a FOI or DPA assessment decision,you used to be able to challenge the IC decision with an appeal to the Information Tribunal. But the InformTion Commissioner is now defined as an Expert Regulator, and only the Information Commissioner can decide if the Information Commissionrs decision is correct.
    All power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

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