A government minister has committed themselves to ā€˜urgently investigatingā€™ alleged assessment tricks used by PIP and WCA assessors after they were raised by MPs at a meeting of the work and pensions committee last week.  Weā€™re asking if you have had a similar experience?

Chloe Smith, minister for disabled people gave the undertaking to investigate after Dr Ben Spencer gave three examples of ā€œcovert assessmentā€ raised by claimants at public meetings he had attended.

The first involved missing water cups, Spencer explained:

ā€œOne was there was water available at the assessment centre, the water cooler did not have any cups, but one down the corridor did. It was deliberate that the water cooler was broken or cups were not available to see if a person was able to walk beyond the first water cooler to get some water.ā€

ā€œAnother one was that lifts were broken deliberately, seemingly to assess that people were able to use the stairs.ā€

The third suspected ruse was a pen drop:

 ā€œOne person described the assessor dropping a pen in front of themā€”I think it was a pen or something like thatā€”to see if the person would pick it up as part of a covert assessment effectively of their mobility.ā€

Spencer asked the minister ā€œWould you commit to urgently investigating this to confirm whether this is indeed an accurate reflection of practices that are going on at the assessments?ā€

Smith responded:  ā€œYes, and if I may add on the example of the lift, I am also keen that all of our facilities are properly accessible. It would be unacceptable to have a deliberately broken lift so, yes, we will look into those.ā€

Of course, all of these may be perfectly innocent.  It may be that the nearest water cooler ran out of cups first, that the lift really was broken and that the assessor genuinely dropped their pen.

The real proof that these were dirty tricks is if they were used in assessment reports where the claimant was supposedly caught out by them.

But anything connected with the DWP is treated with such suspicion by many claimants that innocent explanations are the least likely to be accepted.

Other issues raised by MPS included what was described as the widespread practice whereby  claimants with a ā€œsevere visual impairment have to read letters off a chart at their assessment? Do you think that is acceptable? Do you think it builds trust?ā€

Another complaint was the lack of specialist knowledge displayed by some assessors.  One complaint received by MPS was that:

ā€œThe assessment was completed by a nurse that had never heard of my condition. She said she Googled it 5 minutes before seeing me. You cannot understand a complex condition with a 5 min

Google.ā€

Have you experienced something that you thought was a dirty trick or particularly bad practice at an assessment.  Let us know in the comments below.

You can watch the full committee hearing or read the transcript here.

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    · 2 years ago
    I have a range of mental health conditions. I apparently had a "mental health professional", say in her report that I made eye contact during my assessment so I didn't have problems engaging. Also I suffer with an eating disorder, and have polycystic ovarian syndrome which makes losing weight difficult.Ā  In her report she said I looked "well nourished". She also asked how often I self harm. Apparently not enough. I was awarded zero points. Went to tribunal and got awarded 12 points for daily living. The tribunal panel said they were shocked by her report. These assessments feel more like a criminal investigation interview.Ā 
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    · 2 years ago
    In all the assessments I have had it has often been the case where the assessor has asked me to pick a pen or piece of paper off the floor, so I was under the impression this was a standard aspect of the assessment.Ā  However the down side, and it is something that I have always stated in my appeals documents, it is one thing to be able to pick up an item once, but often it is the repetition that is often the problem for many of us.Ā  Further, in performing this test later on in the day it does cause me to suffer discomfort.Ā  So at the end of the day I have never seen the point of this test as it does not give an accurate picture of a persons problems.Ā  As for the situation regarding being able to use steps, again I have always been asked to useĀ  a set of 2 steps (the sort used to get onto the examination couch) to walk up and down and again this is not a realistic test so again has always been mentioned in appeals documentation.Ā 
    Even though I have not been aware of the afore mentioned 'Dirty' tricks, it is something that I would not put past the assessors.Ā  I would further question the validity of the things they ask you to do as being a real diagnostic test and that they do not reflect reality, there is no repetition and no consideration as to the affect these tests have on you later on
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    · 2 years ago
    The assessors often use observations of personal actions to fail claims.Even things like sitting down how quickly you stand even taking off a coat or reaching into a bag can be used as supposed evidence to fail claiments.
    Ā Trying to be helpful and helping the assessors understand your problems can lead to saying and explaining things too much. They will often selectively interpret what you say or even how you say things to fail claims
    Ā It is best to give short answers that say in no uncertain terms how your health issues affect you (ex I cannot do this because of pain,fatigue or mental difficulty).
    Remember if your health issues cause you difficulties doing relevant tasks on most days you should be assessed as being unable to carry out the task
    Claiments having to attend the awful face to face interviews should assume that they are observed constantly even when entering the assessment centre and in waiting areas. Doing even the smallest thing such as taking off your coat,climbing stairs using your phone can be used as evidence to fail claims.







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      · 2 years ago
      @Arthur I've always assumed that there is cctv for outside the buildings too.
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    · 2 years ago
    My assessor in 2014 didn't want to allow my daughter into the room with me so I said strike one and she asked what does that mean so I told her get to strike three and I'm out of her and take legal action against you, the company and DWP. She let the daughter in and then demanded that only I answer the questions asked so I said strike two! In the end I got enhanced on both care and mobility parts. The place I had the assessment was ground floor only so no lift there was no water cooler either and none of the other so called tricks were used. I wonder if they will use any when I'm reassessed in the next couple of years? Since then I've had a stroke and was in hospital for over 6 weeks and use a scooter to get around outside.
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    · 2 years ago
    My assessor at my PIP assessment wrote down that I worked 7 days a week. Ā I actually told her that I worked over 7 days a week and the most days I worked in a week where 4 days. Ā She also noted that over these 7 days I would start work at 10am till 1pm and then go back around 4pm till 7pm. Ā She also added that I was upbeat and chatty and was a pleasure to talk to when infact I had severe depression and anxiety and was seeing my psychologist on a weekly basis and had been for over a year. Ā I was also seeing my psychiatrist and was on extreme amounts of medication for my mental health. Ā I had to go to the tribunal as my mandatory reconsideration appeal failed. Ā I had been on daily living component for 2 years after I had half my knee removed and it was noted that my knee had now healed after the surgery when infact I was on the waiting list for a full knee replacement. Ā My representative from the CAB told me that I would not win at the upper tribunal as there was no legal evidence that they had broken the law. Ā I was in no fit state to fight them myself and I did not apply for the upper tribunal or reapply for PIP.
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    · 2 years ago
    I have been granted home assessments at least twice now.Ā  The first one was by a pleasant lady (for ESA/DLA).Ā  I can't remember if she had any medical knowledge or not.Ā  Anyway, she had my completed assessment form scanned into her laptop.Ā  This may have been common practice at the time (approx 3-4 years ago, but she went through the whole of the form, question by questionĀ  to see if my answers tied up with what was on the form (my husband fills them out for me as, with permanent head pain/dizziness/inability to concentrate etc, there is no way in the world I could fill them out myself - they are lethal as everyone knows).Ā  It took over 2 hrs to go through the questions, by which time I was almost collapsing - my condition is one that requires a lot of time in a horizontal position!Ā  I had my feet up and was drinking lucozadeĀ šŸ˜, but she never asked if I needed a break or anythingĀ šŸ¤”.Ā  2 hrs of solid questioning is maybe not in accord with human rights, but it's a long time since I've felt human in any dealings with DWPĀ šŸ¤”.Ā  She then asked me to do some physical activities so she could assess that... I said I'm sorry but I don't have any strength left :(Ā  She didn't force me, thankfully, but I had to make a clear declaration & sign it for her, to say that I had said thisĀ šŸ™ˆ.Ā  She then left.
    A year later, I had to have another assessment (PIP).Ā  To say it was shoddy would be a gross understatement.Ā  Ā Again I had to ask for a home assessment & was eventually granted it.Ā  The 'office' who dealt with it was... Well I don't know what it was, but it was shocking.Ā  Ā The phone was always answered by a very bored sounding guy, simply saying, "Hello" - no name given, no department given, no recorded message,Ā  no answerphone.... in fact he even told me they didn't record any calls.Ā  I wanted permission to record the assessment (which was allowed at the time, but you had to inform them).Ā  He told me he'd have to speak to his boss.Ā  He didn't even put me on hold.Ā  Really bizarre.Ā  Ā He came back and said yes I could but it would have to be on one of their own recording machines.Ā  Ā I said, OK.Ā  A couple of days before the appointment I got a letter saying we were not allowed to record it as they had no machines to spare.Ā  I phoned the 'office' again & told the guy to stop messing us around.Ā  Ā I said, I'll use our own recording equipment, in fact I'll get an extra set so they could have an identical copy.Ā  In the end he agreed to this (so I ordered a load of stuff from argos quicklyĀ šŸ™„).Ā  The day arrived.Ā  Ā A black taxi pulled into the drive.Ā  Out got a man šŸ‘Ø- all this time we had been told it would be a woman by name of... (I can't remember)šŸ‘©.Ā  So we said, we were told it would definitely be a woman šŸ‘©.... "Oh she's off for the day" (I struggle to believe she even existed to be honest).Ā  We asked him where he'd travelled from.Ā  London.Ā  That's approx 120 miles, by taxi,Ā  and the taxi (and driver) sat in the driveway for the whole time.Ā  Why would the DWP waste so many resourcesĀ šŸ˜‘šŸ˜‘šŸ˜‘.Ā  Ā He came into the room where we'd set the recording equipment up.Ā  Took one look & said, I've been told it wouldn't be recorded, & looked quite confused šŸ¤”šŸ˜¤.Ā  We said sorry but we've been told multiple times we could record it.Ā  Ā He asked to go outside & phone his boss.Ā  No, we weren't allowed to record it.Ā  Ā Said he could come back another day with the 'right' equipment (have they got any or not?Ā šŸ˜”), but he thought it would be best to proceed (how could we disagreeĀ šŸ˜”Ā - was it deliberate or not..... šŸ¤”).Ā  All he had was a small pad of paper and a pen.Ā  It was infuriating.Ā  Ā I don't remember much of what he asked but he had no medical knowledge whatsoever,Ā  he was training to be an accountant (or similar).Ā  Questions were designed to catch us out.Ā  Near the end he asked if I was able to cope with personal hygiene; I said I used nursing wipes.Ā  Ā He asked what nursing wipes were - he appeared not to have heard of them before šŸ¤”.Ā  May he never have to use them himself.Ā  Ā I explained to him why I'd got my feet up and was drinking lucozade (!!!!), because it was obvious he'd not even considered it.Ā  He then got chatting nicely with my husband, asked how long we'd lived here, did we own the whole house... (haha - as if...).Ā  Eventually... he went.Ā  Off he went in his black taxi 120 miles back to LondonĀ šŸ¤“.
    I sent the stuff back to Argos.
    I complained to DWP, & I did actually get a letter of apology of sorts.
    I am not joking when I say I think I'd rather die than go through any more assessments šŸ„µšŸ„µšŸ„µšŸ¤ÆšŸ¤ÆšŸ¤¢šŸ¤¢šŸ¤¢
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    · 2 years ago
    At my PIP assessment I had items they were returning to me, accidentally on purpose dropped in front of me, to which I did not react, and I had to walk down a narrow winding corridor with uneven footing to the interview room with them observing me as I went.

    A few years earlier I was faced with the defunct lift and stairs scenario.
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    · 2 years ago
    When I was assessed it involved walking the entire length of the building from waiting area to interview room. This was not an issue for me as I have mental not physical issues, but I pointed out politely to the interviewer that this could well be a little trick on the part of the dwp and she promptly ended the assessment before it had even started. She didn't like having the dirty tricks exposed.Ā 
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    · 2 years ago
    The Liverpool assessment centre has no parking, including disabled parking, within a short walking distance and cameras covering the paths from both directions.
    I might be being paranoid but I wouldn't put it past them to monitor people's ability to walk as they approach the building.
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      · 2 years ago
      @Mike They definitely do monitor people's ability to walk as they approach the building,Ā  as I have had that experience.Ā  Ā Funnily enough,Ā  all the disabled parking spaces were full, and so was the rest of the carpark, so my husband had to leave me sitting onĀ  a wall while he went to park the car somewhere else.
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    · 2 years ago
    To be refused mobility benefit because you can drive is ridiculous - claimants should point out that they use a car as a mobility aid BECAUSE their mobility is limited!
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      · 2 years ago
      @Andrew I thought it must be a mistake on my wifeā€™s assessment, but it seems all too common, itā€™s a complete insult.
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      · 2 years ago
      @Andrew I had that is my last assessment in 2020! They put that as a mark against me for being able to drive along with the assessors lie that he'd observed me walking more than 50m. It was a home assessment and my armchair is 4-5m from my front door and all i'd done was answered the door to let him in and then let him out at the end of it, all while holding onto the walls/doorsĀ šŸ˜”
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      · 2 years ago
      @Andrew YES! Ā My husband had a phone assessment and the assessor rang back afterwards about the fact that he had said he drove the car. Ā We knew instantly from her questioning (eg how long do you drive for?) that this was going to be a problem. Ā His award level was reduced even though his condition was worse. Ā Sadly, his comment about needing the car because walking was so difficult and painful was ignored. Ā 
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    · 2 years ago
    This was a few years ago now and I was granted ,after a huge struggle a home assessment, and had the assessor turn up and tell me she'd already filled out her report and would post it that afternoon.After receiving a copy of it I believed her as it was full of lies and detailed things that had never happened or been said.She had done a full musco skeletal examination.She hadnt.Watched me walking.I'd never moved.I'd let her into the house.I didn't ,my husband did.Apparently I was very happy and not at all nervous or anxious.I really wasn't happy and was both anxious and nervous.I used my hands freely and wasn't in pain.The first is physically impossible and I'm in constant pain.The answers I'd given were twisted to give the impression that I'd said the opposite and much of the report was complete fabrication.On a benefits website there were numerous reports where the same responses were given,obviously a cut and paste technique they must often use.I refused physical examinationwhich she put on the form which was in complete contradiction of the point where she had claimed to do the full music skeletal exam andĀ  had given over a page full of results.These assessments are a jokes are the criteria they are based on with theĀ  intent of depriving people of the benefits they are both entitled to and need.The assessors try to give the impression that they are nice ,friendly and on your side with a clear idea about your conditions and the difficulties you face when they are lying and fabricating reports.
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      · 2 years ago
      @Apwin During my last assessment the assessor told me that not to worry about him not being able to type too fast because he's able to remember what is said and he's had to re-fill in assessment forms on his laptop AFTER the assessments because it had failed to save it!Ā 
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    · 2 years ago
    Assessors always write that I sat for 40-50 mins during the assessment without any issues, highly exaggerating the times and ignoring the fact i was asked to move an examination table half way through thus making the statement a clear lie along with the fact I timed one assessment and it took 25 minutes total so wasn't even in the building that long, another trick is keeping you waiting for upto an hour saying one of the assessors wasn't in, I always arrange to come back in an hour or so at an agreed time.
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      · 1 years ago
      @steve e I was the only person in the waiting room and heard a shout so looked over. This was reported as me being able to pick out my name in a nosy environment. Everything they do is a trick.Ā 
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      · 2 years ago
      @Neil An assessment centre tried the same to me. We followed the instructions to arrive 15 mins early but on arrival we were told that the assessor was running at least 30 mins late.Ā  We responded that we will go and have a coffee to recover after the journey. The receptionist was adamant we had to sit in a specific set of seats and wait.Ā  When I looked up there was a CCTV camera pointing at the seats.
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      · 2 years ago
      @Neil Hello Neil
      That's really interesting re timings and an excellent solution to the 'Convenient' assessor delays. Thanks for sharingšŸ‘Ā 
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      · 2 years ago
      @Neil That's a very useful tip, thanks!

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    · 2 years ago
    Iā€™ve been refused pip despite being bipolar currently undergoing treatment the reason because i work and I drive despite the fact my sister in law takes me into work daily and works alongside me to support me and my partner collects me from work every dayĀ 
    apparently this means my mental health doesnā€™t affect me
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    · 2 years ago
    Every time I had a face to face assessment the lift at the Thornaby north east England was always out of order and was never told I could book a ground floor assessmentĀ 
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    · 2 years ago
    i was refused my reassessment on the grounds i was asked if i could walk for 1 minute i said that i probably could,when the report came to me it said that i Ā could walk 40 meters,apparently the government has stated that if you can walk for 1 minutes you will walk 40 metersĀ 
    i got my pip on appealĀ 
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    · 2 years ago
    My wife was refused higher rate mobility allowance as she is able to drive an adapted car. She has no useful left side movement or sensation following a stroke which was incorrectly treated for by the NHS 8 years ago. She has tried to find work at local high street stores but is rejected at the job interview for being unable to complete basic tasks yet DWP assessors insist she is not unfit enough to receive higher rate benefits.

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    · 2 years ago
    I have experienced the lift broken, broken toilet at the waiting area, the whispering too low to hear. These are all taught, surely, to witness miraculous recoveries in their minds to argue over.Ā  Not had the fire alarm yet to run from danger. I have heard of it, though. All since the old Incapacity benefit time, then to DLA
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      · 2 years ago
      @michael And what was wrong with Incapacity Benefit.Ā  You did at least get a fair assessment by qualified doctors.Ā  Ā Why the big need to change the while system?Ā  To save the DWP money?Ā  I think if it was known publicly just how much money had been wasted trying to catch us all out even the fitter general public would be angry.
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    · 2 years ago
    I first made my esa claim in 2019 I had a telephone assessment in 2020 they said they needed a face to face assessment to make a decision I waited and waited and finally last week now 2022 I had a letter for another telephone assessment, what on earth have I been waiting years for? This whole system is extremely judgmental face to face or over the phone my answers are still going to be the same, why did the first assessor say I needed a face to face to decide? To judge me. I have been waiting years for this and in the end it was another telephone assessment. How is this fair?Ā 
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      · 2 years ago
      @Alex I am actually in shock reading this and if I was you I would be speaking to a lawyer and also writing to the House of Commons to the appropriate minister. Ā Surely they have broken the law. Ā Do you have your Benefits and Work subscription?Also contact your local MP and your local citizens advice. Ā Donā€™t let this go on any longer. Ā Seek help and advice. Good luck.
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    · 2 years ago
    Since the Work Capability Assessment came in I have accompanied many people to assessments. At one point I had one of my own, out of all of the hundreds of assessments I saw a positive outcome just once where the practitioner seriously queried the level of mediation a chap was on. So many other people have been subjected to bullying, unreasonable waiting times, bollards put in the path of the center so that people could not be dropped off outside, lifts supposedly broken so people had to wait for the only room downstairs, Pip centers in inaccessible buildings with steps and long corridors. There was one center that had a buzzer for entrance the replies could not be heard by people with hearing difficulties, and this also had a strange locked anti-room that would sometimes not unlock, so myself and the claimant would be stuck until someone released you.Ā  Being told by practitioners that medical evidence didn't count and that they were not able to look at it.Ā  Ā 
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      · 2 years ago
      @Shanti Haft Thanks for posting. I've been to 2 assessments with other people and 4 of my own, so have also witnessed two points of view. It's Always the excessive waiting time, the long corridor, the room at the top of the building where you have to use a lift. This includes at Tribuneral! I'm going to write my own post describing this.Ā 

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    · 2 years ago
    I had my PIP assessment over the phone. Iā€™ve had long covid for over 2 years now. I got a zero score for every question . The nurse interviewing me wasnā€™t the person who made the decision , so I donā€™t know who lied about what I said . There were inconsistencies throughout, totally opposite to what I said . My letter arrived 2 weeks into the time period for mandatory whatsname and I was too exhausted to fight it further. I was told I could get help to appeal but I canā€™t get out. I canā€™t walk far or drive far, according to my report I occasionally drive to the monkey sanctuary ( that was before I was Iā€™ll) and have no problems with mobility ( despite chronic fatigue and breathlessness ) so it sounded like a fight I couldnā€™t take part in. I decided to put my energy into recovering .Ā 
    i wish I had the strength and the time to appeal, but you 9th get 4 weeks from the letter , I only had 2 weeks. Iā€™ve no letter of diagnosis as my long covid clinic says long covid hasnā€™t been recognised yet ! Iā€™ve recently been sent a letter saying Iā€™m having treatment from them , but thatā€™s it.
    I havenā€™t got a clue if any of 5his makes any sense as Iā€™ve forgotten what I was saying at the beginning.
    my ESA assessment a few weeks later was completely different. It was over the phone with a doctor who had experience with other long covid sufferers . Iā€™ve been put in the support group but itā€™s still not a lot to live onā€¦the main thing was someone believed me.

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      · 2 years ago
      @Anne You can appeal a decision up to 13 months from the date the decision was made. Itā€™s called the ā€˜13 Month Ruleā€™ and is case law. Do not be put off from appealing. You can now request that your appeal at the Tribunal be heard over the telephone or via Microsoft Teams. I am sorry you have had this experience. Itā€™s not acceptable.Ā 

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