benefit fraud?

With respect, Pat didn't say that a claimant could get LRM if they were able to referee a football match.

She stated it wasn't a 'prima facie' case for a removal of LRM, which it's not, in my opinion as a welfare rights lawyer with over 30 years experience of representing claimants and sitting on DLA Tribunals for 10 years.

HRM is for those unable, or virtually unable to walk, as defined in the links Pat gave.

LRM is aimed at those with sensory problems or mental health problems who need guidance or supervision out of doors in unfamiliar places.

LRM doesn't deal with walking problems as HRM does.

So in theory, if the area where this person refereed is familiar to them it MAY be possible for them to receive LRM. Note, I say MAY not they WILL be entitled to LRM.

I share your views about soldiers, mainly from Iraq and Afghanistan, not receiving or losing their HRM. It's a bloody disgrace, since the cases I've read are 'virtually unable to walk' and should receive HRM

However, it's the poorly worded legislation that's to blame. A person who cannot be paid HRM, would not automatically qualify for LRM, unless they needed guidance or supervision out of doors when walking in unfamiliar places.

LRM is not a lesser entitlement for those who fail to get HRM.

See : www.direct.gov.uk/en/disabledpeople/fina...lsupport/dg_10011816

Kind regards.

Jim

Jima1 wrote:

With respect, Pat didn't say that a claimant could get LRM if they were able to referee a football match.

She stated it wasn't a 'prima facie' case for a removal of LRM, which it's not, in my opinion as a welfare rights lawyer with over 30 years experience of representing claimants and sitting on DLA Tribunals for 10 years.

HRM is for those unable, or virtually unable to walk, as defined in the links Pat gave.

LRM is aimed at those with sensory problems or mental health problems who need guidance or supervision out of doors in unfamiliar places.

LRM doesn't deal with walking problems as HRM does.

So in theory, if the area where this person refereed is familiar to them it MAY be possible for them to receive LRM. Note, I say MAY not they WILL be entitled to LRM.

I share your views about soldiers, mainly from Iraq and Afghanistan, not receiving or losing their HRM. It's a bloody disgrace, since the cases I've read are 'virtually unable to walk' and should receive HRM

However, it's the poorly worded legislation that's to blame. A person who cannot be paid HRM, would not automatically qualify for LRM, unless they needed guidance or supervision out of doors when walking in unfamiliar places.

LRM is not a lesser entitlement for those who fail to get HRM.

See : www.direct.gov.uk/en/disabledpeople/fina...lsupport/dg_10011816

Kind regards.

Jim

I see your point of view, but in theory to get to the postion of a film crew filming somebody ... someone has seen him ref, someone has contacted the DLA at Blackpool his filed has been pulled .... it has been reviewed it will have been looked at by a senior manager

(in theory)

If there was any doubt as to him being allowed to ref, any notes of telephone calls or requests or anything that confused the matter he would have been contacted prior to filming (thats from a team leader who films)

Its possible he asked and no note was made, I hope he has a name he would not be the first to be told something by the dla and then them not act on it in a correct manner. If thats the case it gets messy


The person I know who films works from the Belfast Office.... most people who get reported get reported by someone they know 2/3 dont give there details 1/3 do but the person is never told who reported them, the reason for reporting is never asked... but durring the time the person makes the report its often heard " I am sicker than them"

The ironic thing abot the teams many are retired police and forces people some with disabilities themselves.

the numbers are growing even before the change of GOV .... there are 30 in London no idea the other large towns in the UK ...... what I cant understand this libcon say there is much fraud yet even the high level teams looking into fraud uncover less than 2%

Actually, the level of fraud in DLA claims as per DWP statistics is less than 0.5%.

However, that doesn't stop members of the public, usually jealous neighbours,
ex-partners, wives etc anonymously reporting claimants for alleged benefits fraud.

Earlier in the year, Jim was anonymously reported to the DWP Fraudline because he was supposedly renovating our retirement apartment and was allegedly seen carrying bags of sand and cement along our promenade, despite the DWP knowing he'd been a wheelchair user for over 10 years

Our apartment is only 16 years old and is in excellent condition.

However, that didn't stop us being visited by a Customer Compliance Officer.

Thankfully, she was a very kind and understanding lady, and on seeing Jim, she had no hesitation in accepting that Jim was fully entitled to his current DLA award, and went on to inform us that around 95% of anonymous calls turn out to be malicious calls.

Need I say more

Pat

pata1 wrote:

Actually, the level of fraud in DLA claims as per DWP statistics is less than 0.5%.

However, that doesn't stop members of the public, usually jealous neighbours,
ex-partners, wives etc anonymously reporting claimants for alleged benefits fraud.

Earlier in the year, Jim was anonymously reported to the DWP Fraudline because he was supposedly renovating our retirement apartment and was allegedly seen carrying bags of sand and cement along our promenade, despite the DWP knowing he'd been a wheelchair user for over 10 years

Our apartment is only 16 years old and is in excellent condition.

However, that didn't stop us being visited by a Customer Compliance Officer.

Thankfully, she was a very kind and understanding lady, and on seeing Jim, she had no hesitation in accepting that Jim was fully entitled to his current DLA award, and went on to inform us that around 95% of anonymous calls turn out to be malicious calls.

Need I say more

Pat

yes the fraud rate is as you say, the 2% I wrote of is of all the cases the fraud team look at, so over all its as you say, but of the cases that get reported and investigated its 2% of them... which means most of the cases they look at there is nothing wrong going on. I would expect there numbers to be higher than they are, because they are supposed to be looking at the serious fraud .... but even they are not finding it,

Hi Pat

Golly you and Jim have really gone through the mill through callous jealous individuals. It makes me so cross as i know i would swap my life with someone who is fit and well any day!!! Its high time people get their facts 100% before reporting what they think they know.

I am aware of someone on HRM who lives in a flat with 6 flights of stairs (no lift) each time they leave home!!! But,who am i to judge when i don't know what pain that person is in when climbing those stairs.

Perhaps when the poster was filmed referee it could have been a better day, who can judge what pain or discomfort it caused him or the effect on his mobility afterwards. I often push myself to the limits and suffer for it later!! Hence breaking my arm!!!

Mm x

thankyou very much for your help