DLA over retirement age

pete17971 wrote:

Dave wrote:

pete17971 wrote:

Dave wrote:

pete17971 wrote:

Plum Howard wrote:

What is the position of DLA reform to people over retirment age as it is people of working age who seem to be getting targeted.

Hi,

As you are probably aware, currently if one receives DLA prior to age 65, then providing they remain eligible needs wise, then they can continue to receive it.

'New claims' from those aged over 65 are not permitted (one can claim Attendance Allowance if one has care needs post age 65).

The government have indicated that those DLA recipients 'of working age' will be 'retested' from circa 2013/14. Proposals are also ongoing regarding changing DLA to the new 'PIP' allowance.

Pete

I thought I saw on one of the DWP pages they are "starting" with people of working age.

My gut feeling is they will deal with people over 65 in a way that if they move onto new system they cant take mobility with move. and before anyone says they cant do that, they are doing that to people in care homes/nursing homes.

The spin will be if people on AA cant have mobility when should others keep it?

the move will give them the chance to do that

Hi Dave,

All the government have announced is the 'restesting' of DLA claimants of working age commencing in 2013.

If the DWP are saying they 'will start with people of working age' they are somewhat putting the cart before of the horse as nothing has yet been announced by the government with regard to the restesting of non working age DLA claimants.

Of course once the consultation regarding 'PIP' is done with and if it is passed into legislation then the 'landscape' may change again.

Pete

the details of starting with working age dla claims was in the 2010 treasury document the big red document

Thanks Dave,

That point I admit must have slipped passed me. Am probably getting a bit old in remembering all that was included in the Spending Review Doc.

Pete

Page 40

www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/d/junebudget_complete.pdf

The Government will reform the Disability Living Allowance (DLA) to
ensure support is targeted on those with the highest medical need. The
Government will introduce the use of objective medical assessments
for all DLA claimants from 2013-14 to ensure payments are only made for
as long as a claimant needs them.

Given the about-turn the Tories have made from fiercely defending DLA in opposition to talking of cutting it, testing it and replacing it now, I wouldn't count on anything they say now being worth anything in six or twelve months time.

Dave wrote:

pete17971 wrote:

Dave wrote:

pete17971 wrote:

Dave wrote:

pete17971 wrote:

Plum Howard wrote:

What is the position of DLA reform to people over retirment age as it is people of working age who seem to be getting targeted.

Hi,

As you are probably aware, currently if one receives DLA prior to age 65, then providing they remain eligible needs wise, then they can continue to receive it.

'New claims' from those aged over 65 are not permitted (one can claim Attendance Allowance if one has care needs post age 65).

The government have indicated that those DLA recipients 'of working age' will be 'retested' from circa 2013/14. Proposals are also ongoing regarding changing DLA to the new 'PIP' allowance.

Pete

I thought I saw on one of the DWP pages they are "starting" with people of working age.

My gut feeling is they will deal with people over 65 in a way that if they move onto new system they cant take mobility with move. and before anyone says they cant do that, they are doing that to people in care homes/nursing homes.

The spin will be if people on AA cant have mobility when should others keep it?

the move will give them the chance to do that

Hi Dave,

All the government have announced is the 'restesting' of DLA claimants of working age commencing in 2013.

If the DWP are saying they 'will start with people of working age' they are somewhat putting the cart before of the horse as nothing has yet been announced by the government with regard to the restesting of non working age DLA claimants.

Of course once the consultation regarding 'PIP' is done with and if it is passed into legislation then the 'landscape' may change again.

Pete

the details of starting with working age dla claims was in the 2010 treasury document the big red document

Thanks Dave,

That point I admit must have slipped passed me. Am probably getting a bit old in remembering all that was included in the Spending Review Doc.

Pete

Page 40

www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/d/junebudget_complete.pdf

The Government will reform the Disability Living Allowance (DLA) to
ensure support is targeted on those with the highest medical need.

DLA is not based on medical need, it is based upon the help reasonably required in order to meet the needs of a claimant's disability/illness.

Yet another misconception of the allowance by this government who have already interpreted DLA as a work-related benefit by openly stating it is a disincentive to work, when clearly this is incorrect. Somebody needs to remind Cameron, Clegg and their cronies of the purpose of DLA. Cameron in particular should know better, as his disabled son received the allowance before his untimely death.

Cameron in particular should know better, as his disabled son received the allowance before his untimely death.

Come on CD Cameron doesnt get this benefit now as his son sadly died, but IMO Cameron has a very short memory!!! It seems everyone but him are cheats and scroungers!
It seems to me if he no longer recieves DLA then why should anybody else.!!

The amount of DLA i get for 4 weeks is spent by these individuals in one night in one of their fancy hotels with a slap up meal!!!!

Mm

I read a government document (sorry, I've lost the link) in which they seemed to have come up with some evidence that people on DLA were less likely to be in work than people with comparable needs that weren't on DLA.

However, their deductions from this seem to have the classic problem of which is the cause and which the effect.

They seem to be assuming that the way it works is that once people get DLA they don't want to go out to work.

However, it may be the other way round. It may be that it is the people that seem, on the surface to have like for like needs, but who are capable of working, who are less likely to find the need to claim DLA.

I'm afraid I don't trust the government's research to have accurately gauged the relative needs of people in and out of work. You can count a person's amputations, but you can't simply by doing so know which of two people can more easily get around, because you don't know how well the stumps have healed or how much muscle has been removed, or whether there is associated CRPS (cont. p94). Or at least, I very much doubt whether the research concerned has gone into that level of detail.

From years of hanging out on disability and mental health websites, I know that a bare diagnosis tells you only a small part of the picture. I can think of two people with bipolar disorder in the same support group. One was working as a successful lawyer, the other had spent several months in hospital every year for many, many years. Same label, different degree, different impact.

But there you go, most of us on DLA are scroungers and it should be taken off us, or if not, reduced to minimal payments carefully controlled, taking away all the flexibility that enables us to make the most of our money.

I'd better stop - my anger levels are rising.

millymoo wrote:

Cameron in particular should know better, as his disabled son received the allowance before his untimely death.

Come on CD Cameron doesn't get this benefit now as his son sadly died....

That is precisely what I said!